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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erin,

I&#039;m afraid that you are mistaken about the history of marriage.  This is narrative that has emerged in the last decades as the debate over the nature of marriage has heated up.

It is not a matter of Marriage not being considered a Sacrament for much of the early history of the Church, but rather that the technical definition of a Sacrament - differentiating between a Sacrament and a sacramental - developed over time.  

Trent was not the first Ecumenical Council to dogmatically define marriage as a Sacrament, the early 15th c. Council of Florence was.  But to say that this means that Marriage was not a Sacrament until this period is a very un-Catholic way of viewing history.  The seven Sacraments were not defined dogmatically by an Ecumenical Council until this time because it was not until this time that the idea of the seven Sacraments had been challenged (just as the canon of scripture was not dogmatically defined by an Ecumenical Council until Trent even though it had solidified by the 4th c.).  It is worth noting that both Councils state that the teaching is not new but goes back to the Apostles .. remember, Paul actually called marriage a &quot;great Sacrament&quot; in Ephesians.  Pope Innocent I at the beginning of the 5th c., St. Ambrose in the 4th century, Terullian in the 2nd c. all define Marriage as a Sacrament.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erin,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid that you are mistaken about the history of marriage.  This is narrative that has emerged in the last decades as the debate over the nature of marriage has heated up.</p>
<p>It is not a matter of Marriage not being considered a Sacrament for much of the early history of the Church, but rather that the technical definition of a Sacrament &#8211; differentiating between a Sacrament and a sacramental &#8211; developed over time.  </p>
<p>Trent was not the first Ecumenical Council to dogmatically define marriage as a Sacrament, the early 15th c. Council of Florence was.  But to say that this means that Marriage was not a Sacrament until this period is a very un-Catholic way of viewing history.  The seven Sacraments were not defined dogmatically by an Ecumenical Council until this time because it was not until this time that the idea of the seven Sacraments had been challenged (just as the canon of scripture was not dogmatically defined by an Ecumenical Council until Trent even though it had solidified by the 4th c.).  It is worth noting that both Councils state that the teaching is not new but goes back to the Apostles .. remember, Paul actually called marriage a &#8220;great Sacrament&#8221; in Ephesians.  Pope Innocent I at the beginning of the 5th c., St. Ambrose in the 4th century, Terullian in the 2nd c. all define Marriage as a Sacrament.</p>
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		<title>By: Dwayne Marling</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dwayne Marling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 16:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Max, Great writing!

Your article and comment feedback led me to wonder if you have looked into joining other Church-based groups. As an example, the Knights of Columbus are active in most parishes and are always looking for good faithful new men to join with them -- two bonuses for you: 1. The K of C are having their annual Supreme Convention in Phoenix at the beginning of July, and 2. The K of C are active in both promoting and supporting vocations to the priesthood and religious life (whether they are &quot;early&quot; or &quot;late&quot; vocations). The Knights, or a similar group, may be a great &quot;home-base&quot; for you in the Church.

Good luck as you travel down whichever path your discernment leads you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max, Great writing!</p>
<p>Your article and comment feedback led me to wonder if you have looked into joining other Church-based groups. As an example, the Knights of Columbus are active in most parishes and are always looking for good faithful new men to join with them &#8212; two bonuses for you: 1. The K of C are having their annual Supreme Convention in Phoenix at the beginning of July, and 2. The K of C are active in both promoting and supporting vocations to the priesthood and religious life (whether they are &#8220;early&#8221; or &#8220;late&#8221; vocations). The Knights, or a similar group, may be a great &#8220;home-base&#8221; for you in the Church.</p>
<p>Good luck as you travel down whichever path your discernment leads you!</p>
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		<title>By: The Author</title>
		<link>http://bustedhalo.com/features/farewell-meat-market-mass/comment-page-1#comment-4074</link>
		<dc:creator>The Author</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 11:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marie:  Wow!  Now that&#039;s what I call positive feedback!  I haven&#039;t been up to the Bay Area in years, but if you ever make it down to the Valley, feel free to give me a call.

Kyra: You&#039;re absolutely right.  God is not a waiter; he does not take orders.  Learning to surrender is a hard thing, especially when the evidence suggests that His plans and yours may not coincide.  

Last Monday, when I was interviewed on Busted Halo&#039;s Father Dave Dwyer show, I remarked how a friend, upon reading this article, had responded with: &quot;Dial 1-800-WAAAAH!&quot;  I took his point.  Compared with a lot of people, I&#039;ve got it easy.  It helps to remember that.  For that reason, I begin all my prayers with thanks, then plead forgiveness.  Then, only after I&#039;ve asked favors for my friends who are in real trouble, will I ask for relief from my own silly problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marie:  Wow!  Now that&#8217;s what I call positive feedback!  I haven&#8217;t been up to the Bay Area in years, but if you ever make it down to the Valley, feel free to give me a call.</p>
<p>Kyra: You&#8217;re absolutely right.  God is not a waiter; he does not take orders.  Learning to surrender is a hard thing, especially when the evidence suggests that His plans and yours may not coincide.  </p>
<p>Last Monday, when I was interviewed on Busted Halo&#8217;s Father Dave Dwyer show, I remarked how a friend, upon reading this article, had responded with: &#8220;Dial 1-800-WAAAAH!&#8221;  I took his point.  Compared with a lot of people, I&#8217;ve got it easy.  It helps to remember that.  For that reason, I begin all my prayers with thanks, then plead forgiveness.  Then, only after I&#8217;ve asked favors for my friends who are in real trouble, will I ask for relief from my own silly problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope this doesn&#039;t come off sounding more like a lecture than a comment...but I recently had an epiphany regarding being called to a particular vocation, and maybe this will help some others.

First let me state for the record that I am a single woman in my late twenties who regularly attends the 9 AM mass.  With my parents.  Who I live with.  And my three year old son.  If there are any young single men in my parish, I wouldn&#039;t know it.  

Anyway, that said, I&#039;ve recently read a couple things that enhanced and clarified my understanding of &quot;waiting&quot; to be called to a particular vocation.  The first is: &quot;If you aren&#039;t sure if you are called to lifelong celibacy, just ask yourself if you could go the entire rest of your life without sex, a spouse and children, and not be bitter about it.  If your answer is no, then guess what? You&#039;re called to marriage! (as over 90% of Catholics are)...&quot;

Great, now that that&#039;s out of the way, the second step is in how you approach God to answer your questions.  God is a parent who wants nothing but good things for His children and takes joy in surprising us.  He is also a friend with whom we&#039;re supposed to be honest and have a real relationship.  Once I started really thinking about what that means in regard to my relationship with God, it&#039;s that I&#039;ve gotten more &quot;real&quot; with Him.  I&#039;ve become more trusting of God the Parent, and more demanding of God the Friend, as I would be of any friend who I felt wasn&#039;t giving me a straight answer.  Instead of praying &quot;pretty please, God&quot; I have basically told Him &quot;Look. I can&#039;t go the rest of my life without a husband and my son can&#039;t go the rest of his life without a father.  I know that marriage is my vocation, and I want You to make this happen for me.&quot; Faith isn&#039;t about hoping God will grant us these things.  It is about knowing these things that we ask are good and right, and knowing God will grant them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope this doesn&#8217;t come off sounding more like a lecture than a comment&#8230;but I recently had an epiphany regarding being called to a particular vocation, and maybe this will help some others.</p>
<p>First let me state for the record that I am a single woman in my late twenties who regularly attends the 9 AM mass.  With my parents.  Who I live with.  And my three year old son.  If there are any young single men in my parish, I wouldn&#8217;t know it.  </p>
<p>Anyway, that said, I&#8217;ve recently read a couple things that enhanced and clarified my understanding of &#8220;waiting&#8221; to be called to a particular vocation.  The first is: &#8220;If you aren&#8217;t sure if you are called to lifelong celibacy, just ask yourself if you could go the entire rest of your life without sex, a spouse and children, and not be bitter about it.  If your answer is no, then guess what? You&#8217;re called to marriage! (as over 90% of Catholics are)&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Great, now that that&#8217;s out of the way, the second step is in how you approach God to answer your questions.  God is a parent who wants nothing but good things for His children and takes joy in surprising us.  He is also a friend with whom we&#8217;re supposed to be honest and have a real relationship.  Once I started really thinking about what that means in regard to my relationship with God, it&#8217;s that I&#8217;ve gotten more &#8220;real&#8221; with Him.  I&#8217;ve become more trusting of God the Parent, and more demanding of God the Friend, as I would be of any friend who I felt wasn&#8217;t giving me a straight answer.  Instead of praying &#8220;pretty please, God&#8221; I have basically told Him &#8220;Look. I can&#8217;t go the rest of my life without a husband and my son can&#8217;t go the rest of his life without a father.  I know that marriage is my vocation, and I want You to make this happen for me.&#8221; Faith isn&#8217;t about hoping God will grant us these things.  It is about knowing these things that we ask are good and right, and knowing God will grant them.</p>
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		<title>By: yaya</title>
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		<dc:creator>yaya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Max, Marie, I &lt;3 U!!!
Marie, I know, IVY, I&#039;m Catholic and getting so sick of going to Mass when it is clearly just for &quot;families.&quot;
Max, I&#039;m 29, I live in the CA Bay Area, I&#039;d like to meet you for coffee, where do you live?  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max, Marie, I &lt;3 U!!!<br />
Marie, I know, IVY, I&#8217;m Catholic and getting so sick of going to Mass when it is clearly just for &#8220;families.&#8221;<br />
Max, I&#8217;m 29, I live in the CA Bay Area, I&#8217;d like to meet you for coffee, where do you live?  :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Babs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Babs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 06:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for a great entry Max. I too find myself in a similar position. The pull to be a Sister has always been in the back of my mind; it leaves for a while and then pops back in again. There is also the pull to get married and have children. At 26, many of my friends and family are themselves getting married and starting families. Others are living with a boyfriend/girlfriend with no plans of ever getting married. Being able to talk about being pulled into these directions is not always easy. Some friends are more receptive to others. I find a similar situation in my church. I recently relocated to a new state and Church and have had difficulty finding my niche. Apparently, being 26 and single has already made me an old maid. The parish is very young with many people my age having spouses and small children. Finding my place, especially in this parish, won&#039;t be easy but I know I&#039;ll find it in the end. I hope you will too. Good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for a great entry Max. I too find myself in a similar position. The pull to be a Sister has always been in the back of my mind; it leaves for a while and then pops back in again. There is also the pull to get married and have children. At 26, many of my friends and family are themselves getting married and starting families. Others are living with a boyfriend/girlfriend with no plans of ever getting married. Being able to talk about being pulled into these directions is not always easy. Some friends are more receptive to others. I find a similar situation in my church. I recently relocated to a new state and Church and have had difficulty finding my niche. Apparently, being 26 and single has already made me an old maid. The parish is very young with many people my age having spouses and small children. Finding my place, especially in this parish, won&#8217;t be easy but I know I&#8217;ll find it in the end. I hope you will too. Good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: brandy101</title>
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		<dc:creator>brandy101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 04:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Max -

Its funny; after I wrote that, I realized I wasn*t just posting on Facebook or similar! Whoops! But, truly I agree; I have had many attempts-at-trendy fashion police disasters back-in-the-day and the blessing is, I can look back and chuckle about them today ;)

Kudos to anyone who maybe flubs up but has the courage to OWN IT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max -</p>
<p>Its funny; after I wrote that, I realized I wasn*t just posting on Facebook or similar! Whoops! But, truly I agree; I have had many attempts-at-trendy fashion police disasters back-in-the-day and the blessing is, I can look back and chuckle about them today ;)</p>
<p>Kudos to anyone who maybe flubs up but has the courage to OWN IT.</p>
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		<title>By: Marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 08:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish local churches would keep single people in mind rather than pretending we&#039;re not there.  I - a 39 year old never-married woman - stopped attending mass because the only reference to singles the priest gave was basically &#039;singleness is a gift, don&#039;t have sex&#039;.  As someone who longs to be married with family going to mass every Sunday was akin to a woman struggling with infertility being forced to go a baby shower every Sunday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish local churches would keep single people in mind rather than pretending we&#8217;re not there.  I &#8211; a 39 year old never-married woman &#8211; stopped attending mass because the only reference to singles the priest gave was basically &#8216;singleness is a gift, don&#8217;t have sex&#8217;.  As someone who longs to be married with family going to mass every Sunday was akin to a woman struggling with infertility being forced to go a baby shower every Sunday.</p>
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		<title>By: The Author</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Author</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good question, Brandon.  Since nearly everyone in my RCIA class was becoming Catholic in order to marry one, our teachers didn&#039;t waste too much time on singlehood.  They were content to say, in so many words, that God calls each person to the station where he or she can love most effectively.  

I took that to mean that some people are pastoral by nature, others are parental, and a relatively small number are best suited to show charity as laymen who have endless time on their hands.

My main objection to the vocation of singlehood was the complete lack of prestige attached to it.  Everyone respects priests (at least in the abstract), and married people are always welcome in the club, especially if they have children.  But I was afraid, if I were to remain single, that people would point and whisper: &quot;What&#039;s his deal?  Is he, you know, comme ca?  Is he some kind of social retard?  Or is he, God forbid, a freelance writer of very uncertain career prospects?&quot;  

But then I met my friend C.  Approaching fifty, she has never married, and has chosen to have few intimate relationships.  (One of those relationships resulted in the birth of a child, but that&#039;s another story for another time.)  She wears her singlehood with great dignity, and makes the most of her spare time, taking a leading role in many of the parish charities.  In her spare time, she likes to schmooze lapsed Catholics into having their children baptized.  

One day, after hearing me gripe for an hour or better about feeling marginalized,stimatized, blah, blah, blah, she turned to me and said, &quot;Whatever you do, don&#039;t do it for the badges.&quot;

It made me think -- about her; about saints like Martin de Porres and Faustina Kowalska, who had dedicated their lives to grinding, tedious, dangerous tasts; about people who were forced to remain single because of painful or life-shortening disabilities.  

I can&#039;t say it turned my head around completely.  (I am, after all, a db with frosted tips and eighty-dollar t-shirts, who would love to be created a Knight of Malta.)  But it did make me want to carry my Cross a little higher.

Hope that helped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good question, Brandon.  Since nearly everyone in my RCIA class was becoming Catholic in order to marry one, our teachers didn&#8217;t waste too much time on singlehood.  They were content to say, in so many words, that God calls each person to the station where he or she can love most effectively.  </p>
<p>I took that to mean that some people are pastoral by nature, others are parental, and a relatively small number are best suited to show charity as laymen who have endless time on their hands.</p>
<p>My main objection to the vocation of singlehood was the complete lack of prestige attached to it.  Everyone respects priests (at least in the abstract), and married people are always welcome in the club, especially if they have children.  But I was afraid, if I were to remain single, that people would point and whisper: &#8220;What&#8217;s his deal?  Is he, you know, comme ca?  Is he some kind of social retard?  Or is he, God forbid, a freelance writer of very uncertain career prospects?&#8221;  </p>
<p>But then I met my friend C.  Approaching fifty, she has never married, and has chosen to have few intimate relationships.  (One of those relationships resulted in the birth of a child, but that&#8217;s another story for another time.)  She wears her singlehood with great dignity, and makes the most of her spare time, taking a leading role in many of the parish charities.  In her spare time, she likes to schmooze lapsed Catholics into having their children baptized.  </p>
<p>One day, after hearing me gripe for an hour or better about feeling marginalized,stimatized, blah, blah, blah, she turned to me and said, &#8220;Whatever you do, don&#8217;t do it for the badges.&#8221;</p>
<p>It made me think &#8212; about her; about saints like Martin de Porres and Faustina Kowalska, who had dedicated their lives to grinding, tedious, dangerous tasts; about people who were forced to remain single because of painful or life-shortening disabilities.  </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t say it turned my head around completely.  (I am, after all, a db with frosted tips and eighty-dollar t-shirts, who would love to be created a Knight of Malta.)  But it did make me want to carry my Cross a little higher.</p>
<p>Hope that helped.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brandon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My young adult group at my parish took some time to look at the 3 main vocations this year and we were all disappointed with all of the published material on single life that we found. They mostly address single life as transitional. What if you are called to single life for life?!? Many sources also said that people who live a single life can devote more time to their job and do things that people who are married couldn&#039;t because of family ties. I think this explanation reduces people to what they do for a living and implies that single people are worthless unless they have some noble or dangerous profession that requires extreme commitment. I would be very interested in a sermon/pamphlet/etc. that could do a better job of explaining the vocation of non-transitional single life in a positive way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My young adult group at my parish took some time to look at the 3 main vocations this year and we were all disappointed with all of the published material on single life that we found. They mostly address single life as transitional. What if you are called to single life for life?!? Many sources also said that people who live a single life can devote more time to their job and do things that people who are married couldn&#8217;t because of family ties. I think this explanation reduces people to what they do for a living and implies that single people are worthless unless they have some noble or dangerous profession that requires extreme commitment. I would be very interested in a sermon/pamphlet/etc. that could do a better job of explaining the vocation of non-transitional single life in a positive way.</p>
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		<title>By: Shea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 01:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL, Max!</description>
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		<title>By: The Author</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 18:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear readers:

Thank you all for your kind, insightful comments.  (Some of them have the ring of an intervention, which I find a little embarassing, but nonetheless very, very touching.)  Just to clarify: I don&#039;t feel ill-served by the Church, or by my parish.  Of all the parishes in the area, none could be more welcoming to older singles than mine.  The demographic makeup of this particular Mass may have forced me to come to terms with my age and singlehood much earlier than I&#039;d have wanted, given my druthers, but in the end, the reckoning will do me good.  As my fellow Catholic convert Oscar Wilde wrote, whatever is realized, is right.

Fr. Larry: My interest in the priesthood is very sincere.  I&#039;d never heard of the CSP until Bill McGarvey mentioned it to me, but its charism sounds right up my alley.  (According to Wikipedia, Paulist priests are famous for their sense of humor.)  Will definitely stay in touch.

To Joe, Shea and Erin -- thanks.  Am keeping all my options open.

To brandy: I can&#039;t believe you wrote &quot;db&quot; on a religious website.  You ARE edgy.  But yeah, I figure there&#039;s no point in making a fool of yourself if you can&#039;t dine out on the stories later on.  Greater love hath no man than this: to admit he goes to church dressed like an off-duty mortgage broker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear readers:</p>
<p>Thank you all for your kind, insightful comments.  (Some of them have the ring of an intervention, which I find a little embarassing, but nonetheless very, very touching.)  Just to clarify: I don&#8217;t feel ill-served by the Church, or by my parish.  Of all the parishes in the area, none could be more welcoming to older singles than mine.  The demographic makeup of this particular Mass may have forced me to come to terms with my age and singlehood much earlier than I&#8217;d have wanted, given my druthers, but in the end, the reckoning will do me good.  As my fellow Catholic convert Oscar Wilde wrote, whatever is realized, is right.</p>
<p>Fr. Larry: My interest in the priesthood is very sincere.  I&#8217;d never heard of the CSP until Bill McGarvey mentioned it to me, but its charism sounds right up my alley.  (According to Wikipedia, Paulist priests are famous for their sense of humor.)  Will definitely stay in touch.</p>
<p>To Joe, Shea and Erin &#8212; thanks.  Am keeping all my options open.</p>
<p>To brandy: I can&#8217;t believe you wrote &#8220;db&#8221; on a religious website.  You ARE edgy.  But yeah, I figure there&#8217;s no point in making a fool of yourself if you can&#8217;t dine out on the stories later on.  Greater love hath no man than this: to admit he goes to church dressed like an off-duty mortgage broker.</p>
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		<title>By: brandy101</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 15:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I *loved* this article - especially your admission to the ultra db-ish getup of Hardy shirts and highlighted hair. Good for you for owing up to it, Max!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I *loved* this article &#8211; especially your admission to the ultra db-ish getup of Hardy shirts and highlighted hair. Good for you for owing up to it, Max!</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 00:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Max, I suggest you read Julia Duin&#039;s book, &quot;Quitting Church.&quot;  Pay particular atttention to Chapter 5 which deals with singles in the church (Catholic or protestant).  You&#039;ll quickly see that your situation is not unique. The church&#039;s &quot;bread and butter&quot; is from the married with family crowd. Thus, churches really don&#039;t want to deal with singles at all, especially the 35+ crowd.  Many have concluded that churches actively try to keep singles from finding a mate and dating. There seems to be this obsession with avoiding sexual sin.  As a result, singles are fleeing the church.  It was enlightening to read that in other countries such as India, the Christian pastors there view it as part of their job to help singles in their congregation find mates for those who ask.  Here in the US questions about singleness are met with answers like Fr. Larry&#039;s that singleness is &quot;one of the three basic vocations&quot; or in protestant churches such questions are considered as &quot;rebellion.&quot;  The worse action you can take is to think, hope, and pray that by sitting in a church you will meet your mate or buy into the belief that you are called to being single and allow yourself to be recruited into the Paulists.  You have to get out and meet as many women as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max, I suggest you read Julia Duin&#8217;s book, &#8220;Quitting Church.&#8221;  Pay particular atttention to Chapter 5 which deals with singles in the church (Catholic or protestant).  You&#8217;ll quickly see that your situation is not unique. The church&#8217;s &#8220;bread and butter&#8221; is from the married with family crowd. Thus, churches really don&#8217;t want to deal with singles at all, especially the 35+ crowd.  Many have concluded that churches actively try to keep singles from finding a mate and dating. There seems to be this obsession with avoiding sexual sin.  As a result, singles are fleeing the church.  It was enlightening to read that in other countries such as India, the Christian pastors there view it as part of their job to help singles in their congregation find mates for those who ask.  Here in the US questions about singleness are met with answers like Fr. Larry&#8217;s that singleness is &#8220;one of the three basic vocations&#8221; or in protestant churches such questions are considered as &#8220;rebellion.&#8221;  The worse action you can take is to think, hope, and pray that by sitting in a church you will meet your mate or buy into the belief that you are called to being single and allow yourself to be recruited into the Paulists.  You have to get out and meet as many women as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 22:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m single, hopefully transitionally so as I desire married life, so I relate to Max&#039;s story of not feeling at home in the church at times.  But I&#039;m most troubled by the line &quot;the Church is what she is.&quot; It implies the church has, is and always will be as it is today.  The problem with this is that the church has changed throughout the centuries (remember that the church wanted nothing to do with marriage for the first thousand years and it didn&#039;t become an official sacrament until Trent.)  My hope is that Max can be critical yet faithful enough to the church as he finds her today to ask where can single people, transitional or not, find a home, healing and hope.  Surely, the &quot;people of God&quot; can learn to respond these needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m single, hopefully transitionally so as I desire married life, so I relate to Max&#8217;s story of not feeling at home in the church at times.  But I&#8217;m most troubled by the line &#8220;the Church is what she is.&#8221; It implies the church has, is and always will be as it is today.  The problem with this is that the church has changed throughout the centuries (remember that the church wanted nothing to do with marriage for the first thousand years and it didn&#8217;t become an official sacrament until Trent.)  My hope is that Max can be critical yet faithful enough to the church as he finds her today to ask where can single people, transitional or not, find a home, healing and hope.  Surely, the &#8220;people of God&#8221; can learn to respond these needs.</p>
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		<title>By: Shea</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 21:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think perhaps it&#039;s easy to say &quot;Some people are called to single life, but any real vocation pulls you forward in life; it‚Äôs not what you settle for or default to.&quot; But being &quot;called&quot; to single life isn&#039;t necessarily a choice. Sometimes you just haven&#039;t met the right person yet, and you&#039;re having to &quot;settle&quot; for single life until you find that person. Having been single until I was 41, I understand Max&#039;s frustrations. From what I&#039;ve noticed, the Church is only now starting to acknowledge single people. For many, many years I sat through homilies about families, vocations to religious life, etc. but never anything for me. I&#039;m starting to see that change, and it&#039;s a good thing.

Alison, I used to have people try to find out where my focus was off, or what I needed to fix in my approach, or what exactly I was doing wrong to not find a husband. Turns out the only thing I was doing wrong was not finding him! As soon as I met him, I knew it was right, and nothing I could have done in the past would have changed when I met him or the fact that he was the one. Maybe Max is ready, but just hasn&#039;t found her yet. I was being saved for my husband! We were meant to be, even if we were on other sides of the country! Just took us longer to find each other.

Max, keep yourself out there. If nothing else, you&#039;ll make some friends. I&#039;ve made some wonderful friends through different groups in the Church. Being yourself ... no matter how &quot;old&quot; you are ... is key. You&#039;ll be happier, and the people you meet will know the real you, and they&#039;ll like you for who you are, and not who you pretend to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think perhaps it&#8217;s easy to say &#8220;Some people are called to single life, but any real vocation pulls you forward in life; it‚Äôs not what you settle for or default to.&#8221; But being &#8220;called&#8221; to single life isn&#8217;t necessarily a choice. Sometimes you just haven&#8217;t met the right person yet, and you&#8217;re having to &#8220;settle&#8221; for single life until you find that person. Having been single until I was 41, I understand Max&#8217;s frustrations. From what I&#8217;ve noticed, the Church is only now starting to acknowledge single people. For many, many years I sat through homilies about families, vocations to religious life, etc. but never anything for me. I&#8217;m starting to see that change, and it&#8217;s a good thing.</p>
<p>Alison, I used to have people try to find out where my focus was off, or what I needed to fix in my approach, or what exactly I was doing wrong to not find a husband. Turns out the only thing I was doing wrong was not finding him! As soon as I met him, I knew it was right, and nothing I could have done in the past would have changed when I met him or the fact that he was the one. Maybe Max is ready, but just hasn&#8217;t found her yet. I was being saved for my husband! We were meant to be, even if we were on other sides of the country! Just took us longer to find each other.</p>
<p>Max, keep yourself out there. If nothing else, you&#8217;ll make some friends. I&#8217;ve made some wonderful friends through different groups in the Church. Being yourself &#8230; no matter how &#8220;old&#8221; you are &#8230; is key. You&#8217;ll be happier, and the people you meet will know the real you, and they&#8217;ll like you for who you are, and not who you pretend to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 21:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Alison, Fr. Larry&#039;s got this one though he was not specific.  There are three vocations: Married, Clergy/Religious, and Singleness.  All three are called to chastity within their vocation.  Celibacy is the commitment to chastity that Clergy/Religious make upon their ordination/profession.  Those called to a single state of life are also called to chastity, which is manifested in celibacy, but that celibacy is not a life-long commitment.  The person called to single life can/must abandon celibacy if he or she enters into the married state or make their commitment to celibacy permanent through ordination/profession.  Chastity and celibacy are often used interchangeably though they do not mean the same thing.  A married couple that engages in sexual intercourse (of course without the evil of contraception) is acting chastely just as a priest or single person refraining from sexual acts are acting chastely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Alison, Fr. Larry&#8217;s got this one though he was not specific.  There are three vocations: Married, Clergy/Religious, and Singleness.  All three are called to chastity within their vocation.  Celibacy is the commitment to chastity that Clergy/Religious make upon their ordination/profession.  Those called to a single state of life are also called to chastity, which is manifested in celibacy, but that celibacy is not a life-long commitment.  The person called to single life can/must abandon celibacy if he or she enters into the married state or make their commitment to celibacy permanent through ordination/profession.  Chastity and celibacy are often used interchangeably though they do not mean the same thing.  A married couple that engages in sexual intercourse (of course without the evil of contraception) is acting chastely just as a priest or single person refraining from sexual acts are acting chastely.</p>
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		<title>By: Alison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 15:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fr. Larry, I mean no disrespect but I think Max&#039;s naming of the vocation to the single life was accurate (although his second one wasn&#039;t, religious/clergy life).  Both those called to the clergy or religious life and those called to the single life are called to celibacy.

Max - I&#039;ve got a female friend that&#039;s just in your shoes.  To attract her attention though, you&#039;d have to stay in the chapel after Mass saying your prayer of thanksgiving or praying a Rosary, not running outside to have a cigarette with your cool t-shirts and colored hair.  Perhaps God has your wife all ready for you, but is waiting for you to become more ready for her?  My advice would be to use this time to really focus on the Lord and where you&#039;re at with your faith, and trust in Him to make your vocation clear to you when He believes you&#039;re ready for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fr. Larry, I mean no disrespect but I think Max&#8217;s naming of the vocation to the single life was accurate (although his second one wasn&#8217;t, religious/clergy life).  Both those called to the clergy or religious life and those called to the single life are called to celibacy.</p>
<p>Max &#8211; I&#8217;ve got a female friend that&#8217;s just in your shoes.  To attract her attention though, you&#8217;d have to stay in the chapel after Mass saying your prayer of thanksgiving or praying a Rosary, not running outside to have a cigarette with your cool t-shirts and colored hair.  Perhaps God has your wife all ready for you, but is waiting for you to become more ready for her?  My advice would be to use this time to really focus on the Lord and where you&#8217;re at with your faith, and trust in Him to make your vocation clear to you when He believes you&#8217;re ready for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Fr. Larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fr. Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 14:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Max, I think the &quot;three basic vocations&quot; are married live, religious/clergy life (including celibacy), and singleness.  Some people are called to single life, but any real vocation pulls you forward in life; it&#039;s not what you settle for or default to.

For what it&#039;s worth, as hard as it is to let go of your &quot;coltish&quot; youth, I think you&#039;d move closer to your true vocatiion (whatever that might be) by embracing who you are *now*, and assessing your current interests, needs, desires, dreams, skills, passions, etc.

While you&#039;re discerning, I hope you&#039;ll take a good look at the Paulists. We could use more guys who communicate well, connect with American culture, and are fans of Fight Club.  (What&#039;s the first rule of Fight Club?)

Hang in there, and listen for the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

Peace. - Fr. Larry Rice, CSP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max, I think the &#8220;three basic vocations&#8221; are married live, religious/clergy life (including celibacy), and singleness.  Some people are called to single life, but any real vocation pulls you forward in life; it&#8217;s not what you settle for or default to.</p>
<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, as hard as it is to let go of your &#8220;coltish&#8221; youth, I think you&#8217;d move closer to your true vocatiion (whatever that might be) by embracing who you are *now*, and assessing your current interests, needs, desires, dreams, skills, passions, etc.</p>
<p>While you&#8217;re discerning, I hope you&#8217;ll take a good look at the Paulists. We could use more guys who communicate well, connect with American culture, and are fans of Fight Club.  (What&#8217;s the first rule of Fight Club?)</p>
<p>Hang in there, and listen for the guidance of the Holy Spirit.</p>
<p>Peace. &#8211; Fr. Larry Rice, CSP</p>
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		<title>By: Nora</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 02:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Max Lindenman,
A great piece, and uplifting at the end! I hope fate finds a way to keep you uncassocked.</description>
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A great piece, and uplifting at the end! I hope fate finds a way to keep you uncassocked.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Stark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Stark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 00:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Max:
This is a very enlightening and hilarious piece.  Keep up the great writing.</description>
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This is a very enlightening and hilarious piece.  Keep up the great writing.</p>
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