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		<title>By: Theologienne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theologienne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 03:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go, Christine. Man, I remember when you started this column! You&#039;ve really grown into your voice in terms of presenting the reality and inviting a conversation about it, without fear or judgment. Congratulations on 5 years!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go, Christine. Man, I remember when you started this column! You&#8217;ve really grown into your voice in terms of presenting the reality and inviting a conversation about it, without fear or judgment. Congratulations on 5 years!</p>
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		<title>By: sensei ronald panlilio</title>
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		<dc:creator>sensei ronald panlilio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2010 18:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love reading your columns. I heard a great talk by catherine zeno about &quot;sex: god&#039;s wau.&quot; She talked about how sex and gender are a noun before they were ever a verb or action. Also have been listening and reading books by christopher west on theology of the body.
I also was living a life of sin while I was in college. But I truly believe with confession and prayer we can reclaim our bodies, by staying pure in heart, thoughts, and actions. I am in singles for christ, and it is a great peer group to play, learn from, and be inspired. I also go to catholic underground, and nights of discipleship at the cathedral in downtown. Seek out other sources..and you can learn how to court a woman properly. Try &quot;boy meets girl&quot;, &quot;love dare&quot;, &quot; every man&#039;s battle.&quot;

God Bless and may the lord answer the desires in your hearts :)

http://www.awesomearchangel.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love reading your columns. I heard a great talk by catherine zeno about &#8220;sex: god&#8217;s wau.&#8221; She talked about how sex and gender are a noun before they were ever a verb or action. Also have been listening and reading books by christopher west on theology of the body.<br />
I also was living a life of sin while I was in college. But I truly believe with confession and prayer we can reclaim our bodies, by staying pure in heart, thoughts, and actions. I am in singles for christ, and it is a great peer group to play, learn from, and be inspired. I also go to catholic underground, and nights of discipleship at the cathedral in downtown. Seek out other sources..and you can learn how to court a woman properly. Try &#8220;boy meets girl&#8221;, &#8220;love dare&#8221;, &#8221; every man&#8217;s battle.&#8221;</p>
<p>God Bless and may the lord answer the desires in your hearts :)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.awesomearchangel.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.awesomearchangel.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 17:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re dealing with a bunch of seperate issues here, and some folks are trying to pretend they&#039;re the same issue.

1. Premarital sex. It&#039;s a sin. It&#039;s also a bad idea. Funny how that works, ain&#039;t it? (Frankly I&#039;d have pretty severe doubts about any religion that teaches that something is a Mortal Sin(tm) if the behavior in question weren&#039;t demonstrably harmful.)

2. Premarital cohabitation (in the specific sense of _living in the same household_, which is not the same thing as _having sexual intercourse_, regardless of what the culture implies or any specific couple is also doing).

3. Young people who don&#039;t want to make long-term commitments.

4. Columnists on Catholic web sites who give advice which conforms to the moral teachings of the Church, but is phrased in practical terms of how to live a good life, rather than moral terms of &quot;toe the line or you&#039;re gonna burn in Hell&quot;.

I will assert that it&#039;s not merely true but also very significant to the discussion that issues 1, 2, and 3 are not a single issue at all.

As to issue #1, I&#039;m very much a reformed sinner. I made a lot of mistakes in my youth, and they cost me plenty, in both spiritual and temporal terms. As to #2, I&#039;m probably an extreme outlier...with the exception of my mother, the only woman I&#039;ve ever lived with is the one to whom I&#039;m now happily married. (Yes, we lived together before we were married. No, we weren&#039;t having sex. I know this is true, she knows this is true, God knows this is true, and whether anyone else believes it&#039;s true is immaterial.) And as to #3...well, there are certainly a lot of folks out there like that, but I&#039;ve never really been one of them. Neither, for that matter has my wife. I knew I wanted to marry her within 20 minutes of the first time we met (if it wouldn&#039;t have been obviously creepy, I&#039;d have proposed then and there), and although it took her about 7 years to come around to my way of thinking, by the time we started out as an actual couple, it was already pretty clear to both of us that marriage was our eventual destination...it was just a matter of dispelling potential problems, buying rings, finding an appropriate time for a formal proposal, scheduling the wedding, and dealing with the other logistical folderol.

As to #4, my opinion on the matter is simple. &quot;Toe the line or you&#039;re bound for Hell&quot; is true, but has been massively demonstrated to be unpersuasive to the modern culture. For those without the gift of Faith, God has been so generous as to give us the persuasiveness of evidence. It is not a sin to use it...in fact, I&#039;d wager it&#039;s bordering on a sin to _not_ use it. People being led to virtue by instruction in the good life are still being led to virtue, which is what counts. People being turned off to the message of God by culturally tone-deaf preaching are thus left to Satan to do with as he wishes.

To those who would condemn Dr. Whelan because she speaks the truth in the language of modern culture, rather than the language of dogma, I reccomend attention to the gospel stories of the interactions between Jesus and the Pharisees. What is more important to you? Satisfaction of your own self-righteousness through observation of public piety, or the salvation of souls by any means available? If you are a true disciple of Jesus of Nazareth, our Lord and Savior, the latter must take precedence. Yet to many self-described Christians, the former concern quite obviously has a higher place in their minds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re dealing with a bunch of seperate issues here, and some folks are trying to pretend they&#8217;re the same issue.</p>
<p>1. Premarital sex. It&#8217;s a sin. It&#8217;s also a bad idea. Funny how that works, ain&#8217;t it? (Frankly I&#8217;d have pretty severe doubts about any religion that teaches that something is a Mortal Sin(tm) if the behavior in question weren&#8217;t demonstrably harmful.)</p>
<p>2. Premarital cohabitation (in the specific sense of _living in the same household_, which is not the same thing as _having sexual intercourse_, regardless of what the culture implies or any specific couple is also doing).</p>
<p>3. Young people who don&#8217;t want to make long-term commitments.</p>
<p>4. Columnists on Catholic web sites who give advice which conforms to the moral teachings of the Church, but is phrased in practical terms of how to live a good life, rather than moral terms of &#8220;toe the line or you&#8217;re gonna burn in Hell&#8221;.</p>
<p>I will assert that it&#8217;s not merely true but also very significant to the discussion that issues 1, 2, and 3 are not a single issue at all.</p>
<p>As to issue #1, I&#8217;m very much a reformed sinner. I made a lot of mistakes in my youth, and they cost me plenty, in both spiritual and temporal terms. As to #2, I&#8217;m probably an extreme outlier&#8230;with the exception of my mother, the only woman I&#8217;ve ever lived with is the one to whom I&#8217;m now happily married. (Yes, we lived together before we were married. No, we weren&#8217;t having sex. I know this is true, she knows this is true, God knows this is true, and whether anyone else believes it&#8217;s true is immaterial.) And as to #3&#8230;well, there are certainly a lot of folks out there like that, but I&#8217;ve never really been one of them. Neither, for that matter has my wife. I knew I wanted to marry her within 20 minutes of the first time we met (if it wouldn&#8217;t have been obviously creepy, I&#8217;d have proposed then and there), and although it took her about 7 years to come around to my way of thinking, by the time we started out as an actual couple, it was already pretty clear to both of us that marriage was our eventual destination&#8230;it was just a matter of dispelling potential problems, buying rings, finding an appropriate time for a formal proposal, scheduling the wedding, and dealing with the other logistical folderol.</p>
<p>As to #4, my opinion on the matter is simple. &#8220;Toe the line or you&#8217;re bound for Hell&#8221; is true, but has been massively demonstrated to be unpersuasive to the modern culture. For those without the gift of Faith, God has been so generous as to give us the persuasiveness of evidence. It is not a sin to use it&#8230;in fact, I&#8217;d wager it&#8217;s bordering on a sin to _not_ use it. People being led to virtue by instruction in the good life are still being led to virtue, which is what counts. People being turned off to the message of God by culturally tone-deaf preaching are thus left to Satan to do with as he wishes.</p>
<p>To those who would condemn Dr. Whelan because she speaks the truth in the language of modern culture, rather than the language of dogma, I reccomend attention to the gospel stories of the interactions between Jesus and the Pharisees. What is more important to you? Satisfaction of your own self-righteousness through observation of public piety, or the salvation of souls by any means available? If you are a true disciple of Jesus of Nazareth, our Lord and Savior, the latter must take precedence. Yet to many self-described Christians, the former concern quite obviously has a higher place in their minds.</p>
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		<title>By: Genesis and Beyond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Genesis and Beyond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 18:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>During our research for a study we authored for young adults, we found and used this info:

In an article written by Cardinal Rigali, Archbishop of Philadelphia, the Cardinal brought out a ‚Äú‚Ä¶very staggering and distressing statistic‚Äù about cohabitation in America.‚Äù  ‚ÄúIn 2004, more than 5 million Americans were living together in a relationship without the marriage covenant. In 1970, the number of persons living together, or cohabiting, was 500,000. Fewer than half of cohabiting unions end in marriage.‚Äù (Popenoe and Whitehead) Cardinal Rigali continues with a very insightful observation. He notes that most couples, even if they have not lived together previously, tend to do so when they become engaged. He surmises that it is out of a desire to get to know the one whom we will marry, in light of the high divorce rate. But as he warns us, this experimentation sheds no light on the commitment and permanence within our relationships.‚Äù (Cardinal Justin Rigali, Cohabitation or Covenant, October 28, 2006 edition of the Word Made Flesh, Catholic Standard and Times.) In the study Should We Live Together? by Popenoe and Whitehead, research found that ‚Äúin their marriages prior cohabitors are estimated to have a risk of divorce that is 46% higher than for noncohabitors.‚Äù (Taken from Genesis and Beyond: The Divine Plan for Human Love by Peggy King and Marci Stone. www.genesisandbeyond.com)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>During our research for a study we authored for young adults, we found and used this info:</p>
<p>In an article written by Cardinal Rigali, Archbishop of Philadelphia, the Cardinal brought out a ‚Äú‚Ä¶very staggering and distressing statistic‚Äù about cohabitation in America.‚Äù  ‚ÄúIn 2004, more than 5 million Americans were living together in a relationship without the marriage covenant. In 1970, the number of persons living together, or cohabiting, was 500,000. Fewer than half of cohabiting unions end in marriage.‚Äù (Popenoe and Whitehead) Cardinal Rigali continues with a very insightful observation. He notes that most couples, even if they have not lived together previously, tend to do so when they become engaged. He surmises that it is out of a desire to get to know the one whom we will marry, in light of the high divorce rate. But as he warns us, this experimentation sheds no light on the commitment and permanence within our relationships.‚Äù (Cardinal Justin Rigali, Cohabitation or Covenant, October 28, 2006 edition of the Word Made Flesh, Catholic Standard and Times.) In the study Should We Live Together? by Popenoe and Whitehead, research found that ‚Äúin their marriages prior cohabitors are estimated to have a risk of divorce that is 46% higher than for noncohabitors.‚Äù (Taken from Genesis and Beyond: The Divine Plan for Human Love by Peggy King and Marci Stone. <a href="http://www.genesisandbeyond.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.genesisandbeyond.com</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: Angie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 17:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to your answer to Phil, it would be interesting to note that there is research those that did co-habit, show no change in divorce rates, but those that didn&#039;t show a smaller divorce rate, and that&#039;s what you would emphasize.  Maybe not co-habiting shows a sign of character as to how the person values marriage, and thus is something young adults should strive for?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to your answer to Phil, it would be interesting to note that there is research those that did co-habit, show no change in divorce rates, but those that didn&#8217;t show a smaller divorce rate, and that&#8217;s what you would emphasize.  Maybe not co-habiting shows a sign of character as to how the person values marriage, and thus is something young adults should strive for?</p>
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		<title>By: Christine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 20:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, thank you all for these gratifying comments. I&#039;m so touched by readers who take the time to share their experiences, and I appreciate your support for my work. 

I want this to be a column for you -- and one that addresses your concerns as honestly as possible. So please do keep your questions and ideas coming!

And Phil, to answer your question: There have been studies that find that cohabitating with the person you marry has no impact on divorce rates, but to my knowledge there hasn&#039;t been a study that says it HELPS. If there were such a study, we&#039;d have to examine why--and then figure out how we could replicate those benefits while also following our faith. 

Thanks for keeping the discussion going, and many many thanks to all of you for your kindness. 

Best,
Christine Whelan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, thank you all for these gratifying comments. I&#8217;m so touched by readers who take the time to share their experiences, and I appreciate your support for my work. </p>
<p>I want this to be a column for you &#8212; and one that addresses your concerns as honestly as possible. So please do keep your questions and ideas coming!</p>
<p>And Phil, to answer your question: There have been studies that find that cohabitating with the person you marry has no impact on divorce rates, but to my knowledge there hasn&#8217;t been a study that says it HELPS. If there were such a study, we&#8217;d have to examine why&#8211;and then figure out how we could replicate those benefits while also following our faith. </p>
<p>Thanks for keeping the discussion going, and many many thanks to all of you for your kindness. </p>
<p>Best,<br />
Christine Whelan</p>
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		<title>By: Vanessa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vanessa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 18:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Catholic Youth Ministry Leader in a large urban area I am often confronted with the topic of sex and sexuality from the youth.  I have witnessed how our lack of response to the needs of our youth to discuss sex and sexuality is leaving our youth vulnerable and often victims of their less moral peers.  Unless and until our Church takes up the cross and the example of Christ, to meet them where they are, our children will continue to be like lambs among the wolves.  It simply is not enough for us to say, &quot;don&#039;t have sex...wait until your married&quot;, and then not tell them HOW or WHY, when they are constantly bombarded with messages from society to respond sexually. I pray for the day when we can provide meaningful and useful guidance to our youth to help them navigate through the perils of sex, dating and sexuality.  Because for them, Silence = Consent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Catholic Youth Ministry Leader in a large urban area I am often confronted with the topic of sex and sexuality from the youth.  I have witnessed how our lack of response to the needs of our youth to discuss sex and sexuality is leaving our youth vulnerable and often victims of their less moral peers.  Unless and until our Church takes up the cross and the example of Christ, to meet them where they are, our children will continue to be like lambs among the wolves.  It simply is not enough for us to say, &#8220;don&#8217;t have sex&#8230;wait until your married&#8221;, and then not tell them HOW or WHY, when they are constantly bombarded with messages from society to respond sexually. I pray for the day when we can provide meaningful and useful guidance to our youth to help them navigate through the perils of sex, dating and sexuality.  Because for them, Silence = Consent.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa Behrle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melissa Behrle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 18:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Dr. Whelan for this article and the first article, &quot;A little bit married.&quot;  Your presentation of the facts are articulate, intelligent, responsible, thought and faith provoking.  I recently rediscovered the busted halo website as I was searching for a place online to grow in my faith as a young adult and a Catholic.  I especially want to thank you for making this article response personal.  You approached it as a fellow seeker and even though this means sticking your neck out to criticism, it also gives a face to the real struggles that many young adult Catholics face, including myself. Rock on Christine!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Dr. Whelan for this article and the first article, &#8220;A little bit married.&#8221;  Your presentation of the facts are articulate, intelligent, responsible, thought and faith provoking.  I recently rediscovered the busted halo website as I was searching for a place online to grow in my faith as a young adult and a Catholic.  I especially want to thank you for making this article response personal.  You approached it as a fellow seeker and even though this means sticking your neck out to criticism, it also gives a face to the real struggles that many young adult Catholics face, including myself. Rock on Christine!</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 17:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christine, I was at that talk last year.  It was excellent.  You are right about the statistics.  While the modern numbers of people practicing pre-marital sex( or using artificial contraception) are depressing from a Catholic perspective(not to mention that such a reality makes it very hard to find a potential mate-even among Catholics- who actually agrees with the Church&#039;s sexual teachings), we can not just bury our head in the sand and ignore them.  How could the Church ever attempt to address such problems if we ignore them?  Christ commanded his followers to be as wise as serpents and as gentle as doves.  That is exactly what you are doing.  
   It is good that you contribute social science to this discussion. Those outside the church aren&#039;t necessarily going to be persuaded by scripture(especially if they are not even Christian) or even by the Church&#039;s philosophical arguments. As St. Thomas Aquinas might say, how could we speak to secular culture at large if we do not know their language?  As imperfect as social science is, we need to understand it and utilize it when we can.  People like you help us do that. 
  I will pose one question to you.  Suppose there was a study which claimed that cohabitation was somehow more beneficial to the success of a future marriage than not cohabitating(or something along those lines).  How would you address that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christine, I was at that talk last year.  It was excellent.  You are right about the statistics.  While the modern numbers of people practicing pre-marital sex( or using artificial contraception) are depressing from a Catholic perspective(not to mention that such a reality makes it very hard to find a potential mate-even among Catholics- who actually agrees with the Church&#8217;s sexual teachings), we can not just bury our head in the sand and ignore them.  How could the Church ever attempt to address such problems if we ignore them?  Christ commanded his followers to be as wise as serpents and as gentle as doves.  That is exactly what you are doing.<br />
   It is good that you contribute social science to this discussion. Those outside the church aren&#8217;t necessarily going to be persuaded by scripture(especially if they are not even Christian) or even by the Church&#8217;s philosophical arguments. As St. Thomas Aquinas might say, how could we speak to secular culture at large if we do not know their language?  As imperfect as social science is, we need to understand it and utilize it when we can.  People like you help us do that.<br />
  I will pose one question to you.  Suppose there was a study which claimed that cohabitation was somehow more beneficial to the success of a future marriage than not cohabitating(or something along those lines).  How would you address that?</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Liu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Liu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Christine for your great work in the last five years. Your approach really helped me form my conscience I firmly believe that if we want young spiritual seekers to listen to the Church&#039;s voice, we must use the language that they can understand. I totally support what you do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Christine for your great work in the last five years. Your approach really helped me form my conscience I firmly believe that if we want young spiritual seekers to listen to the Church&#8217;s voice, we must use the language that they can understand. I totally support what you do.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How vividly I remember two articulate teenagers, leaders among their high school peers, being invited to participate on a parish committee convened to study needs of parish youth and how the parish could better serve them.

Early on they were asked what they felt was the most important concern or topic that needed to be addressed. After a brief silence, the answer was &quot;...sexual activity among High School youth.&quot; The chairperson responded, &quot;I hope what you mean is &#039;abstinence&#039; by Catholic youth.&quot;
&quot;No,&quot; they responded. &quot;We mean discussion of the realities, not just the ideal.&quot; After some uncomfortable grumblings between committee members the chairperson called for order and said that this was the Catholic Church and the only reality was abstinence--end of discussion.
 
For far too long parents have buried their heads in the sand and left teens to fend for themselves. And so, they have. Unheard and unwelcomed they move on, more often than not, reluctantly.

Thank you Dr. Wheelan, for being a contributor to a website that addresses both the reality and ideal. I trust both the teachings of the Church and the spiritually intellectual arguments that brought about those positions. Meeting each spiritual seeker &quot;where they are&quot; is our strength as Church and is our example in Christ. Closing the door will solve no problems and may have, in fact, contributed to far more.
  
Thank you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How vividly I remember two articulate teenagers, leaders among their high school peers, being invited to participate on a parish committee convened to study needs of parish youth and how the parish could better serve them.</p>
<p>Early on they were asked what they felt was the most important concern or topic that needed to be addressed. After a brief silence, the answer was &#8220;&#8230;sexual activity among High School youth.&#8221; The chairperson responded, &#8220;I hope what you mean is &#8216;abstinence&#8217; by Catholic youth.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;No,&#8221; they responded. &#8220;We mean discussion of the realities, not just the ideal.&#8221; After some uncomfortable grumblings between committee members the chairperson called for order and said that this was the Catholic Church and the only reality was abstinence&#8211;end of discussion.</p>
<p>For far too long parents have buried their heads in the sand and left teens to fend for themselves. And so, they have. Unheard and unwelcomed they move on, more often than not, reluctantly.</p>
<p>Thank you Dr. Wheelan, for being a contributor to a website that addresses both the reality and ideal. I trust both the teachings of the Church and the spiritually intellectual arguments that brought about those positions. Meeting each spiritual seeker &#8220;where they are&#8221; is our strength as Church and is our example in Christ. Closing the door will solve no problems and may have, in fact, contributed to far more.</p>
<p>Thank you</p>
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		<title>By: Christy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really enjoy your column Christine. I respect that you produce the facts &amp; reality of adult life today. I agree with you that we need to talk about the reality, or else how can we address the issue. Talking about people having sex outside of marriage doesn&#039;t make people have sex outside of marriage; it helps us understand why people are having sex outside of marriage &amp; gives us ideas to help people deal with their issues in a Christ-like manner.

I too come from a similar, tarnished-halo background. I really appreciate a Catholic place where I can feel welcome instead of judged :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really enjoy your column Christine. I respect that you produce the facts &amp; reality of adult life today. I agree with you that we need to talk about the reality, or else how can we address the issue. Talking about people having sex outside of marriage doesn&#8217;t make people have sex outside of marriage; it helps us understand why people are having sex outside of marriage &amp; gives us ideas to help people deal with their issues in a Christ-like manner.</p>
<p>I too come from a similar, tarnished-halo background. I really appreciate a Catholic place where I can feel welcome instead of judged :)</p>
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