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		<title>By: yes</title>
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		<dc:creator>yes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 23:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does Obama want to reduce abortions if he doesn&#039;t think there is anything wrong with them? 
Isn&#039;t wanting to reduce something implying there is something wrong with it??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does Obama want to reduce abortions if he doesn&#8217;t think there is anything wrong with them?<br />
Isn&#8217;t wanting to reduce something implying there is something wrong with it??</p>
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		<title>By: Gideon</title>
		<link>http://bustedhalo.com/features/something-new-in-the-abortion-debate/comment-page-2#comment-675</link>
		<dc:creator>Gideon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 04:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, David, praying will change things.  That&#039;s a much more sensible act than actually voting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, David, praying will change things.  That&#8217;s a much more sensible act than actually voting.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://bustedhalo.com/features/something-new-in-the-abortion-debate/comment-page-2#comment-672</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 04:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is horrible.  I can&#039;t believe a representative of the church can say such things.  No wonder so many Catholics voted for Obama.  I am scared for the young generation (which is me).  How can we move forward when there is false teaching in the Church.  I pray things will get better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is horrible.  I can&#8217;t believe a representative of the church can say such things.  No wonder so many Catholics voted for Obama.  I am scared for the young generation (which is me).  How can we move forward when there is false teaching in the Church.  I pray things will get better.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
		<link>http://bustedhalo.com/features/something-new-in-the-abortion-debate/comment-page-2#comment-526</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have heard this argument for &quot;Catholics for Obama&quot; in several places, and would ALMOST agree with it except for his promise to sign the Freedom of Choice Act as his first act as president.

I don&#039;t see how FOCA in any way promotes the lessening of abortion, in fact from what I understand it would do away with any and all legislation limiting abortion in any way.  Third trimester, partial birth, even infanticide are what it would involve. No parental consent, no need for pre-abortion couceling or a waiting period.  Just bam, abortion on the spot.

If Obama REALLY wants to start lessening the number of abortions, I think signing the FOCA is the first sign that he&#039;s going about it the wrong way.

I sincerely hope that his intended programs to support the mothers, promote adoption and teach abstinence and less &quot;cavalier activity&quot; really do help to limit the &quot;need&quot; for abortion.  But I just can&#039;t get over his resolution to pass FOCA.  I wish that Fr. Reese would address this very important part of the conundrum.

I do believe that the best way to defeat abortion (which is ALWAYS an absolute moral evil) is not by insisting that it end here and now, but by taking small steps in the right direction.. promoting fidelity, chastity, responsibility, adoption, financial, spirtitual and emotional support for the mothers, etc.  The taking of an innocent life is never morally acceptable, no matter the circumstances.  The fact that it is absolutely wrong does not EVER make it easy.. I have never been in a situation where I have had to consider abortion, and I cannot in particular imagine the trauma of rape or incest.. but with a lot of help and prayer maybe even these cases can be &quot;solved&quot; with grace, hope and peace.

May God bless President-Elect Obama, may He change many hearts and minds so that His will may be done and we can see at least the beginning of an end to this tragedy we know as abortion.  God bless the USA!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have heard this argument for &#8220;Catholics for Obama&#8221; in several places, and would ALMOST agree with it except for his promise to sign the Freedom of Choice Act as his first act as president.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see how FOCA in any way promotes the lessening of abortion, in fact from what I understand it would do away with any and all legislation limiting abortion in any way.  Third trimester, partial birth, even infanticide are what it would involve. No parental consent, no need for pre-abortion couceling or a waiting period.  Just bam, abortion on the spot.</p>
<p>If Obama REALLY wants to start lessening the number of abortions, I think signing the FOCA is the first sign that he&#8217;s going about it the wrong way.</p>
<p>I sincerely hope that his intended programs to support the mothers, promote adoption and teach abstinence and less &#8220;cavalier activity&#8221; really do help to limit the &#8220;need&#8221; for abortion.  But I just can&#8217;t get over his resolution to pass FOCA.  I wish that Fr. Reese would address this very important part of the conundrum.</p>
<p>I do believe that the best way to defeat abortion (which is ALWAYS an absolute moral evil) is not by insisting that it end here and now, but by taking small steps in the right direction.. promoting fidelity, chastity, responsibility, adoption, financial, spirtitual and emotional support for the mothers, etc.  The taking of an innocent life is never morally acceptable, no matter the circumstances.  The fact that it is absolutely wrong does not EVER make it easy.. I have never been in a situation where I have had to consider abortion, and I cannot in particular imagine the trauma of rape or incest.. but with a lot of help and prayer maybe even these cases can be &#8220;solved&#8221; with grace, hope and peace.</p>
<p>May God bless President-Elect Obama, may He change many hearts and minds so that His will may be done and we can see at least the beginning of an end to this tragedy we know as abortion.  God bless the USA!</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://bustedhalo.com/features/something-new-in-the-abortion-debate/comment-page-2#comment-501</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The right to life, from conception to natural death, is preeminent among all rights given to us by God.  And a country can secure no right until the right to life is protected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The right to life, from conception to natural death, is preeminent among all rights given to us by God.  And a country can secure no right until the right to life is protected.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://bustedhalo.com/features/something-new-in-the-abortion-debate/comment-page-2#comment-500</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 03:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shame on you Father Reese, and on The Busted Halo Show, The Catholic Channel and The Archdiocese of NY for allowing this &#039;perspective&#039; to be presented as a valid Catholic teaching.  You call Arcbishop Cahput a &#039;maverick&#039;?  I call him a strong and faithful shepherd, the question is why aren&#039;t you?   May God have mercy on us all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shame on you Father Reese, and on The Busted Halo Show, The Catholic Channel and The Archdiocese of NY for allowing this &#8216;perspective&#8217; to be presented as a valid Catholic teaching.  You call Arcbishop Cahput a &#8216;maverick&#8217;?  I call him a strong and faithful shepherd, the question is why aren&#8217;t you?   May God have mercy on us all.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The one thing that I wonder when people vote on abortion issues is if they actually care what will happen to the kids when they get older. Sure‚Ä¶..we all want to protect innocent children, but how many people posting right now would step up and take a foster child? Probably not many.
I work in a middle school in a small town in Ohio, and everyday I see ‚Äúemotionally disturbed‚Äù (as they have been labeled) children out of control in the hallways. Some of these kids come from families most of you can‚Äôt imagine. One little boy has 6 brothers and sisters with 4 different fathers? The catch‚Ä¶..the fathers were brothers!!! That‚Äôs right‚Ä¶..he has brothers and sisters that are also cousins. Things like this are common place in areas all over the country.
Would these children have been better off if they had been aborted? I‚Äôm won‚Äôt speculate. But I will say that no one is teaching birth control in these areas at all.
Things have to be done in this country to understand that not everyone is middle class and some people can‚Äôt understand single sided thinking. Try teaching natural family planning to a women that sleeps with 3 different men a week for drugs‚Ä¶..If anyone had the solution to these problems, the world would be a better place.
But for now‚Ä¶‚Ä¶when you rant about the evils of using birth control, and the evils of abortion, think about what happens to that fetus when it turns 18 and is thrown out on the street. The hardships that child will face.
And maybe, just maybe I pray that some of you will do the right that and remember those foster children that need homes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one thing that I wonder when people vote on abortion issues is if they actually care what will happen to the kids when they get older. Sure‚Ä¶..we all want to protect innocent children, but how many people posting right now would step up and take a foster child? Probably not many.<br />
I work in a middle school in a small town in Ohio, and everyday I see ‚Äúemotionally disturbed‚Äù (as they have been labeled) children out of control in the hallways. Some of these kids come from families most of you can‚Äôt imagine. One little boy has 6 brothers and sisters with 4 different fathers? The catch‚Ä¶..the fathers were brothers!!! That‚Äôs right‚Ä¶..he has brothers and sisters that are also cousins. Things like this are common place in areas all over the country.<br />
Would these children have been better off if they had been aborted? I‚Äôm won‚Äôt speculate. But I will say that no one is teaching birth control in these areas at all.<br />
Things have to be done in this country to understand that not everyone is middle class and some people can‚Äôt understand single sided thinking. Try teaching natural family planning to a women that sleeps with 3 different men a week for drugs‚Ä¶..If anyone had the solution to these problems, the world would be a better place.<br />
But for now‚Ä¶‚Ä¶when you rant about the evils of using birth control, and the evils of abortion, think about what happens to that fetus when it turns 18 and is thrown out on the street. The hardships that child will face.<br />
And maybe, just maybe I pray that some of you will do the right that and remember those foster children that need homes.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Fox</title>
		<link>http://bustedhalo.com/features/something-new-in-the-abortion-debate/comment-page-2#comment-478</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being pro life for me means respecting the very dignity of life at all moments.  That moral principle is one I own and do my very best to live as consistnetly as I am able.  That said the political path to change is not won by moral rectitiude alone. I beleive that working for change means being a part of the dialogue and all or nothing positions are hardly part of a dialogue, mores the pity they remain the monologue of the last four decades and the value of human life has suffered.  I am more convinced that we must enter the political side of this as contributors to change, we can work to limit, define, and define positions that are causal to incremental change, real change both in external law and in the actions of people.  We have spent the best part of 40 years trying to undo one law.  I wonder what it might look like is we had spent all that effort on smaller changes that impact real movement and cause indidviuals to rethink who they are, what they believe and how they act.  We might find if we devoted energy to that we would profoundly increase the real value of life at every moment.   I pray we find a path to grow a vision of life that moves us from a culture of death to a culture of life based on the only way we know that we grow morally and that is in steps and phases not in all or nothing rhetoric that sounds holistic but has for forty years been clanging symbols.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being pro life for me means respecting the very dignity of life at all moments.  That moral principle is one I own and do my very best to live as consistnetly as I am able.  That said the political path to change is not won by moral rectitiude alone. I beleive that working for change means being a part of the dialogue and all or nothing positions are hardly part of a dialogue, mores the pity they remain the monologue of the last four decades and the value of human life has suffered.  I am more convinced that we must enter the political side of this as contributors to change, we can work to limit, define, and define positions that are causal to incremental change, real change both in external law and in the actions of people.  We have spent the best part of 40 years trying to undo one law.  I wonder what it might look like is we had spent all that effort on smaller changes that impact real movement and cause indidviuals to rethink who they are, what they believe and how they act.  We might find if we devoted energy to that we would profoundly increase the real value of life at every moment.   I pray we find a path to grow a vision of life that moves us from a culture of death to a culture of life based on the only way we know that we grow morally and that is in steps and phases not in all or nothing rhetoric that sounds holistic but has for forty years been clanging symbols.</p>
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		<title>By: N</title>
		<link>http://bustedhalo.com/features/something-new-in-the-abortion-debate/comment-page-1#comment-405</link>
		<dc:creator>N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 01:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wake up and smell reality, people.  Abortion is not going away.  You might as well spend your time and energy helping to create prosocial movements that promote education and care rather than wasting your time arguing for a cause that will never be recognized.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wake up and smell reality, people.  Abortion is not going away.  You might as well spend your time and energy helping to create prosocial movements that promote education and care rather than wasting your time arguing for a cause that will never be recognized.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://bustedhalo.com/features/something-new-in-the-abortion-debate/comment-page-1#comment-403</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 04:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it any wonder why the majority of the Society of Jesus lives on the edge when it comes to adhering to the teachings of the magisterium ? As a graduate of Fordham, in the spirit of &quot;academic freedom&quot; denial of basic truths was commonplace..............time will tell Padre</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it any wonder why the majority of the Society of Jesus lives on the edge when it comes to adhering to the teachings of the magisterium ? As a graduate of Fordham, in the spirit of &#8220;academic freedom&#8221; denial of basic truths was commonplace&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..time will tell Padre</p>
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		<title>By: greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 00:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anne---I&#039;m glad you posted just so I can read what the other side is thinking; and please don&#039;t tell me you are pro-life.  You are an idealist who cannot see murder when it right in front of you and instead looks for &#039;life-affirming behavior across the board, across all spectra of humankind&#039;.  Where I grew up we call that bunk.  Greed, death penalty, war, abuse, unethical behavior, infliction of emotional hart---yeah all bad, however non rise to the level of intentional killing of a human life promoted as a &#039;good&#039; for women in need.  Obama does not offer any help in fact he hinders us in our fight against the force of darkness.  You may get less greed the next 4 years via socialism however it will be at the expense of countless lives murdered in and immediately out of the womb.  Please get your focus back on point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anne&#8212;I&#8217;m glad you posted just so I can read what the other side is thinking; and please don&#8217;t tell me you are pro-life.  You are an idealist who cannot see murder when it right in front of you and instead looks for &#8216;life-affirming behavior across the board, across all spectra of humankind&#8217;.  Where I grew up we call that bunk.  Greed, death penalty, war, abuse, unethical behavior, infliction of emotional hart&#8212;yeah all bad, however non rise to the level of intentional killing of a human life promoted as a &#8216;good&#8217; for women in need.  Obama does not offer any help in fact he hinders us in our fight against the force of darkness.  You may get less greed the next 4 years via socialism however it will be at the expense of countless lives murdered in and immediately out of the womb.  Please get your focus back on point.</p>
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		<title>By: Gideon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gideon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Such fear mongering.</description>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not so easily confused as those who who do not see the Party of Death already in office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not so easily confused as those who who do not see the Party of Death already in office.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean-Pierre Chacon</title>
		<link>http://bustedhalo.com/features/something-new-in-the-abortion-debate/comment-page-1#comment-392</link>
		<dc:creator>Jean-Pierre Chacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Anne:

Nothing has been done? Where have you been? We got a partial birth abortion bill passed after Clinton vetoed it two or three times (can&#039;t remember how many). We also got two more folks on the Supreme Court who are strict constructionists - this makes 4. We need one more. The next president will nominate at least 1, if not 2 in their first term. This could be the difference in overturning Roe as most decisions are now 5-4 in the liberal direction. If it goes the other way, the effect will last 30 years.

It amazes me how our own people don&#039;t know their own government. They say that the Republicans have been in charge for the last 8 years and haven&#039;t been able to do anything. Unless you have a majority of 60 in the Senate, it doesn&#039;t matter if you hold both houses of Congress and the Presidency. One Senator can prevent the vote on a judge or any other piece of legislation. It takes 60 to overcome this filibuster.

Because of the wishy-washy Catholics we may get 60 in the Senate, except it&#039;ll be the Party of Death. Then watch out - abortion on demand, embryonic stem cell research, right to die for the elderly, cloning, gay marriage and on and on. There will be no one to blame but us Catholics. We hold the power and we will be answerable to God.

The latest comment from Obama on gay marriage does not match his rhetoric that he is against it. Look up what he said about the California marriage initiative over the weekend. WAKE UP! The Dems know they need your vote and they&#039;ll say whatever they need to say in order to confuse you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Anne:</p>
<p>Nothing has been done? Where have you been? We got a partial birth abortion bill passed after Clinton vetoed it two or three times (can&#8217;t remember how many). We also got two more folks on the Supreme Court who are strict constructionists &#8211; this makes 4. We need one more. The next president will nominate at least 1, if not 2 in their first term. This could be the difference in overturning Roe as most decisions are now 5-4 in the liberal direction. If it goes the other way, the effect will last 30 years.</p>
<p>It amazes me how our own people don&#8217;t know their own government. They say that the Republicans have been in charge for the last 8 years and haven&#8217;t been able to do anything. Unless you have a majority of 60 in the Senate, it doesn&#8217;t matter if you hold both houses of Congress and the Presidency. One Senator can prevent the vote on a judge or any other piece of legislation. It takes 60 to overcome this filibuster.</p>
<p>Because of the wishy-washy Catholics we may get 60 in the Senate, except it&#8217;ll be the Party of Death. Then watch out &#8211; abortion on demand, embryonic stem cell research, right to die for the elderly, cloning, gay marriage and on and on. There will be no one to blame but us Catholics. We hold the power and we will be answerable to God.</p>
<p>The latest comment from Obama on gay marriage does not match his rhetoric that he is against it. Look up what he said about the California marriage initiative over the weekend. WAKE UP! The Dems know they need your vote and they&#8217;ll say whatever they need to say in order to confuse you.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 14:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am continually amazed at the view that the only solution to abortion is to make it illegal right this second, right now. I can only assume those that espouse this monocular view are not serious about a solution at all. And to continue to support politicians who speak the pro-life words we want to hear, but whose actions in every single other realm of real &#039;life support&#039; betray them is not only ineffective but absurd. We  have heard this drum beat for so long, with no change and no results. Roe stands. And we have rampant greed, little regard for the care and protection of children, young people dying in war, death penalty in most states. This is what we want? This is the goal? We need life-affirming behavior across the board, across all spectra of humankind. The time is now for new strategy. Those who really, actually value life in all it&#039;s forms need to ask themselves how really to accomplish this work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am continually amazed at the view that the only solution to abortion is to make it illegal right this second, right now. I can only assume those that espouse this monocular view are not serious about a solution at all. And to continue to support politicians who speak the pro-life words we want to hear, but whose actions in every single other realm of real &#8216;life support&#8217; betray them is not only ineffective but absurd. We  have heard this drum beat for so long, with no change and no results. Roe stands. And we have rampant greed, little regard for the care and protection of children, young people dying in war, death penalty in most states. This is what we want? This is the goal? We need life-affirming behavior across the board, across all spectra of humankind. The time is now for new strategy. Those who really, actually value life in all it&#8217;s forms need to ask themselves how really to accomplish this work.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Vedra</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Vedra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 00:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree with  Fr. Reese&#039;s  statement, that more needs to be done to help the situations of women to avoid abortions altogether. Voting for Obama will do anything but that. He is definitely not the pro-life solution.  Obama, in a recorded statement  (you could look for the audio on the internet) actually if his daughters ever became pregnant he wouldn&#039;t want them PUNISHED with a MISTAKE. I never knew human life was a punishment and/or mistake.
But thats how Obama thinks and thats how he has voted in the past....Does anyone know if he ever changed the situation for women in his state so that abortion rates go down?  If I had to guess I would probably say no.
The man&#039;s past speaks for itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree with  Fr. Reese&#8217;s  statement, that more needs to be done to help the situations of women to avoid abortions altogether. Voting for Obama will do anything but that. He is definitely not the pro-life solution.  Obama, in a recorded statement  (you could look for the audio on the internet) actually if his daughters ever became pregnant he wouldn&#8217;t want them PUNISHED with a MISTAKE. I never knew human life was a punishment and/or mistake.<br />
But thats how Obama thinks and thats how he has voted in the past&#8230;.Does anyone know if he ever changed the situation for women in his state so that abortion rates go down?  If I had to guess I would probably say no.<br />
The man&#8217;s past speaks for itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 03:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.barackobama.com/2008/01/22/obama_statement_on_35th_annive.php

I question where the author got his facts on Obama&#039;s pro-life views. He has one of the most pro-choice voting records. I don&#039;t know what issue is more grave than abortion.</description>
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<p>I question where the author got his facts on Obama&#8217;s pro-life views. He has one of the most pro-choice voting records. I don&#8217;t know what issue is more grave than abortion.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is unfortunate that a Jesuit ‚Äì an order with such a long and distinguished tradition of intellectual rigor ‚Äì could proffer such illogical bunk in building a case supporting Sen. Obama as the candidate with the better overall strategy for effecting real change on the abortion front. I agree that we must do a better job at alleviating the social conditions (poverty, etc) that may lead women in desperate situations to consider abortion. But what you suggest is akin to saying ‚ÄúLet‚Äôs not criminalize homicide. Let‚Äôs work harder to make it rare.‚Äù According to your faulty reasoning, recognizing ‚Äì  as a nation ‚Äì  a crime as a crime is divisive and counterproductive. Catholics have generally embraced a ‚Äòboth/and‚Äô philosophy rather than a narrow ‚Äòeither/or‚Äô mindset. Why can‚Äôt we call the taking of innocent human life at any stage ‚Äúmurder‚Äù ‚Äì by definition a criminal act ‚Äì while AT THE SAME TIME work to find compassionate means to provide better healthcare and educational opportunities for women and better assistance and support for families that find themselves in dire straits. As for your suggestion that, while bishops can be a moral voice in the ongoing abortion debate, they should leave it up to politicians to figure things out amongst themselves -- would you have felt the same way about the Civil Rights Movement? Would you have left the fate of millions of African-Americans up to the Jim Crow politicians ‚Äúto decide what is politically possible and how to implement moral principles in the real world.‚Äù (As opposed to what, the un-real, idealized fantasy world the Church inhabits?) Or would you have said that religious leaders, Catholic and non-Catholic alike, had the sacred duty to use every legitimate and ecclesiastically appropriate means to urge politicians to change immoral laws? While I do agree that priests should operate within their proper sphere of activity ‚Äì that of pastors not politicians -- I don‚Äôt hear much complaining from our liberal brethren when the church ‚Äì rightfully and admirably so ‚Äì issues strong statements on war or immigration reform and uses its considerable influence through various diplomatic channels to intervene in the ‚Äúreal world.‚Äù</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is unfortunate that a Jesuit ‚Äì an order with such a long and distinguished tradition of intellectual rigor ‚Äì could proffer such illogical bunk in building a case supporting Sen. Obama as the candidate with the better overall strategy for effecting real change on the abortion front. I agree that we must do a better job at alleviating the social conditions (poverty, etc) that may lead women in desperate situations to consider abortion. But what you suggest is akin to saying ‚ÄúLet‚Äôs not criminalize homicide. Let‚Äôs work harder to make it rare.‚Äù According to your faulty reasoning, recognizing ‚Äì  as a nation ‚Äì  a crime as a crime is divisive and counterproductive. Catholics have generally embraced a ‚Äòboth/and‚Äô philosophy rather than a narrow ‚Äòeither/or‚Äô mindset. Why can‚Äôt we call the taking of innocent human life at any stage ‚Äúmurder‚Äù ‚Äì by definition a criminal act ‚Äì while AT THE SAME TIME work to find compassionate means to provide better healthcare and educational opportunities for women and better assistance and support for families that find themselves in dire straits. As for your suggestion that, while bishops can be a moral voice in the ongoing abortion debate, they should leave it up to politicians to figure things out amongst themselves &#8212; would you have felt the same way about the Civil Rights Movement? Would you have left the fate of millions of African-Americans up to the Jim Crow politicians ‚Äúto decide what is politically possible and how to implement moral principles in the real world.‚Äù (As opposed to what, the un-real, idealized fantasy world the Church inhabits?) Or would you have said that religious leaders, Catholic and non-Catholic alike, had the sacred duty to use every legitimate and ecclesiastically appropriate means to urge politicians to change immoral laws? While I do agree that priests should operate within their proper sphere of activity ‚Äì that of pastors not politicians &#8212; I don‚Äôt hear much complaining from our liberal brethren when the church ‚Äì rightfully and admirably so ‚Äì issues strong statements on war or immigration reform and uses its considerable influence through various diplomatic channels to intervene in the ‚Äúreal world.‚Äù</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This new emphasis by the Democrats will not win over the hard-core pro-lifers, but it will make it easier for those, especially Catholics, who are concerned about abortion and other issues to vote Democratic.

Ah hello Father---please wake up.  I respect you as a priest but come on Father---claiming ignorance is no defense.  Please read Justice Breyer&#039;s Supreme Court ruling in Carhart, tie it into Obama&#039;s support for no restrictions on any abortion procedure including infanticide and then tell me again your personal views.  I am sorry to say a majority of Catholic leaders are leading folks in the wrong direction---or maybe not if your unstated intention is to have an awake Catholic flee with fear to Jesus as His Church in America is &#039;confused&#039;.  Stick to tax reform Father.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This new emphasis by the Democrats will not win over the hard-core pro-lifers, but it will make it easier for those, especially Catholics, who are concerned about abortion and other issues to vote Democratic.</p>
<p>Ah hello Father&#8212;please wake up.  I respect you as a priest but come on Father&#8212;claiming ignorance is no defense.  Please read Justice Breyer&#8217;s Supreme Court ruling in Carhart, tie it into Obama&#8217;s support for no restrictions on any abortion procedure including infanticide and then tell me again your personal views.  I am sorry to say a majority of Catholic leaders are leading folks in the wrong direction&#8212;or maybe not if your unstated intention is to have an awake Catholic flee with fear to Jesus as His Church in America is &#8216;confused&#8217;.  Stick to tax reform Father.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Dalton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Dalton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 03:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama does not support the Hyde Amendment, has promised Planned Parenthood he would sign the Freedom of Choice Act, not to mention those he would appoint to the Supreme Court.  In light of this, it is appalling that Fr Reese would call Archbishop Chaput and Bishop Martino &quot;mavericks&quot; and accuse them of employing a media strategy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama does not support the Hyde Amendment, has promised Planned Parenthood he would sign the Freedom of Choice Act, not to mention those he would appoint to the Supreme Court.  In light of this, it is appalling that Fr Reese would call Archbishop Chaput and Bishop Martino &#8220;mavericks&#8221; and accuse them of employing a media strategy.</p>
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		<title>By: D. J. Cook</title>
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		<dc:creator>D. J. Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 03:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a traditional Catholic.  One who must follow the conscience God gave man.  This is Baltimore Catechism (pg 5. para 3.(b)) basic: ‚ÄúGod ‚Äúgave man an intellect and a will‚Äù .  

First.  A true Catholic knows when he violates God&#039;s law and should refrain from Holy Communion.  The Bishops get involved when politicians are in their effort to get elected ‚Äúpreach‚Äù  and promote a false Catholic doctrine (See; Kerry, Biden and Pelosi) and truly undermine the Churches basic teachings.   It is a Bishop&#039;s responsibility to defend the faith.  In fact, through the Sacrament of Confirmation, we are enabled to profess our faith as strong and perfect Christians and soldiers of Jesus Christ.  Thus each individual Catholic is responsible to defend the Catholic faith and the most innocent of humans; a baby in the womb.

Today we have Boomer Catholics and ‚ÄúBoomer&quot; priests it appears, who are not responsible for anything.  Thus ‚ÄúCatholics‚Äù promote a candidate who: caters to the poor and lower income people, this is good; this same candidate actively promotes and supports unlimited abortion and infanticide, this is bad.  This ‚ÄúCatholic‚Äù vote for such a candidate is direct advocacy and support  for the destruction of a baby!  All other issue are mute.

In the 1930‚Äôs in Europe we had an individual who in response to a world depression created jobs and helped the poor he even made the trains run on time!   This was good.  His program also included imprisonment and eventual murder of the social misfits, the homosexuals, the gypsies, the handicapped,  the  Jews and Catholic and Protestant objectors to his ‚Äúwonderful‚Äù program, this was bad.  Todays Boomer Catholic ‚Äúlogic‚Äù would have and in some cases maybe this flawed ‚Äúlogic‚Äù did promote and support Hitler and the Nazi party in its day.    

I was taught well at Bishop Gorman High School in 1954-55 by Father Teed CSV that the end does not justify the means nor does the means justify the end.  A simple and very basic Roman Catholic teaching.  Thus the Catholic voting for an abortion program, to insure that the poor and lower income people, ‚Äúspread the wealth- income redistribution‚Äù are supported  is absolutely wrong.  The end voting to support the poor and lower income people does not justify the means which is the willful action of voting for and actively supporting the abortion program.  Using this simple but profound concept, end vs means ,works in all aspects of one‚Äôs life and it certainly applies here.

The Catholics who are proponents of justifying their support of a pro-abortion candidate and political party use abstract strained ‚Äúlogic‚Äù (as shown in Father Reeses‚Äô article) to support their views.  They try to weave war, legal executions and the need for social welfare into their false arguments to justify a vote for abortion.  Forgotten in all of this Boomer ‚Äúlogic‚Äù is the victim.

REMEMBER ABORTION KILLS THE MOST INNOCENT, PURE AND DEFENSELESS HUMAN GOD EVER CREATED EACH TIME IT IS PERFORMED!  A CHILD IN GOD‚ÄôS IMAGE AND LIKENESS!  

THIS IS MURDER OF A BABY! 

Note:  The Jesuits introduced Liberation Theology in to Latin America, a Marxist method of governing.  If the election goes wrong next Tuesday we might see it here first hand.  Abortion being the Holy Sacrament of the American Democrat left will advocate, promote and fund the intrinsic evil abortion without limits.  And traditional marriage will be made as valid as a Kerry Purple Heart.  But ‚Äúthe trains will run on time.‚Äù   This is a single issue?  Yes!  

Hope I am wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a traditional Catholic.  One who must follow the conscience God gave man.  This is Baltimore Catechism (pg 5. para 3.(b)) basic: ‚ÄúGod ‚Äúgave man an intellect and a will‚Äù .  </p>
<p>First.  A true Catholic knows when he violates God&#8217;s law and should refrain from Holy Communion.  The Bishops get involved when politicians are in their effort to get elected ‚Äúpreach‚Äù  and promote a false Catholic doctrine (See; Kerry, Biden and Pelosi) and truly undermine the Churches basic teachings.   It is a Bishop&#8217;s responsibility to defend the faith.  In fact, through the Sacrament of Confirmation, we are enabled to profess our faith as strong and perfect Christians and soldiers of Jesus Christ.  Thus each individual Catholic is responsible to defend the Catholic faith and the most innocent of humans; a baby in the womb.</p>
<p>Today we have Boomer Catholics and ‚ÄúBoomer&#8221; priests it appears, who are not responsible for anything.  Thus ‚ÄúCatholics‚Äù promote a candidate who: caters to the poor and lower income people, this is good; this same candidate actively promotes and supports unlimited abortion and infanticide, this is bad.  This ‚ÄúCatholic‚Äù vote for such a candidate is direct advocacy and support  for the destruction of a baby!  All other issue are mute.</p>
<p>In the 1930‚Äôs in Europe we had an individual who in response to a world depression created jobs and helped the poor he even made the trains run on time!   This was good.  His program also included imprisonment and eventual murder of the social misfits, the homosexuals, the gypsies, the handicapped,  the  Jews and Catholic and Protestant objectors to his ‚Äúwonderful‚Äù program, this was bad.  Todays Boomer Catholic ‚Äúlogic‚Äù would have and in some cases maybe this flawed ‚Äúlogic‚Äù did promote and support Hitler and the Nazi party in its day.    </p>
<p>I was taught well at Bishop Gorman High School in 1954-55 by Father Teed CSV that the end does not justify the means nor does the means justify the end.  A simple and very basic Roman Catholic teaching.  Thus the Catholic voting for an abortion program, to insure that the poor and lower income people, ‚Äúspread the wealth- income redistribution‚Äù are supported  is absolutely wrong.  The end voting to support the poor and lower income people does not justify the means which is the willful action of voting for and actively supporting the abortion program.  Using this simple but profound concept, end vs means ,works in all aspects of one‚Äôs life and it certainly applies here.</p>
<p>The Catholics who are proponents of justifying their support of a pro-abortion candidate and political party use abstract strained ‚Äúlogic‚Äù (as shown in Father Reeses‚Äô article) to support their views.  They try to weave war, legal executions and the need for social welfare into their false arguments to justify a vote for abortion.  Forgotten in all of this Boomer ‚Äúlogic‚Äù is the victim.</p>
<p>REMEMBER ABORTION KILLS THE MOST INNOCENT, PURE AND DEFENSELESS HUMAN GOD EVER CREATED EACH TIME IT IS PERFORMED!  A CHILD IN GOD‚ÄôS IMAGE AND LIKENESS!  </p>
<p>THIS IS MURDER OF A BABY! </p>
<p>Note:  The Jesuits introduced Liberation Theology in to Latin America, a Marxist method of governing.  If the election goes wrong next Tuesday we might see it here first hand.  Abortion being the Holy Sacrament of the American Democrat left will advocate, promote and fund the intrinsic evil abortion without limits.  And traditional marriage will be made as valid as a Kerry Purple Heart.  But ‚Äúthe trains will run on time.‚Äù   This is a single issue?  Yes!  </p>
<p>Hope I am wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 04:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fr. Reese, 
Why is it that we fight abortion? Why do we pray rosaries, offer up devotions, and do silent protests outside planned parenthood? Why i ask you? Because Fr., there is an OBJECTIVE truth in this world. And it is found in the trinity, the word, and the church. Each one of them tells us that abortion is wrong. The trinity says &quot;you shalt not kill&quot;. The church opposes it. And heres a sweet bible verse for you:
 
&quot;Parents are not to be put to death for crimes committed by their children, and children are not to be put to death for crimes committed by their parents; a person is to be put to death only for a crime he himself has committed&quot; Duet 24:16

I think that is self-explanatory.

While i do agree with you and mr obama that we need to reduce the amount of abortions, and i pray that that policy will work because as we move towards election it is more apparant that it will be senator obama will be our next president, I disagree that this policy is a complete solution to the modern day genocide we fight against. 

The abortion issue is a question of what is right and what is wrong. There is no &quot;common ground&quot;. Revelation 3:15-16 &quot;I know your works; I know that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either cold or hot. So because you are lukewarm, neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth.&quot; Father, please get out of the middle of the road, or you will get run over. It breaks my heart that a person of your religious status would go with the flow on this one, instead of being the fish that swims against the current. Come over to the right side Fr. (no political pun intended). Come over to the side of the church, the word, and the trinity.

I will be praying for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fr. Reese,<br />
Why is it that we fight abortion? Why do we pray rosaries, offer up devotions, and do silent protests outside planned parenthood? Why i ask you? Because Fr., there is an OBJECTIVE truth in this world. And it is found in the trinity, the word, and the church. Each one of them tells us that abortion is wrong. The trinity says &#8220;you shalt not kill&#8221;. The church opposes it. And heres a sweet bible verse for you:</p>
<p>&#8220;Parents are not to be put to death for crimes committed by their children, and children are not to be put to death for crimes committed by their parents; a person is to be put to death only for a crime he himself has committed&#8221; Duet 24:16</p>
<p>I think that is self-explanatory.</p>
<p>While i do agree with you and mr obama that we need to reduce the amount of abortions, and i pray that that policy will work because as we move towards election it is more apparant that it will be senator obama will be our next president, I disagree that this policy is a complete solution to the modern day genocide we fight against. </p>
<p>The abortion issue is a question of what is right and what is wrong. There is no &#8220;common ground&#8221;. Revelation 3:15-16 &#8220;I know your works; I know that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either cold or hot. So because you are lukewarm, neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth.&#8221; Father, please get out of the middle of the road, or you will get run over. It breaks my heart that a person of your religious status would go with the flow on this one, instead of being the fish that swims against the current. Come over to the right side Fr. (no political pun intended). Come over to the side of the church, the word, and the trinity.</p>
<p>I will be praying for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 22:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why sis Fr. Reese leave Rome ( The Vatican ) when Pope Benedict xvi was installed ? Isthere any other reason beyond not being on the &quot;same page&quot; as the Pope ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why sis Fr. Reese leave Rome ( The Vatican ) when Pope Benedict xvi was installed ? Isthere any other reason beyond not being on the &#8220;same page&#8221; as the Pope ?</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 05:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still find it fascinating that it&#039;s still so hard for some to follow coherent moral principles. The problem here is not abortion, or stem cell research, or euthanasia. The problem here is some still don&#039;t understand the dignity of the human person, the principle upon which everything else is founded. If you understand that you will very quickly understand why what Reese insinuates to is way off the radar. Maybe if we all read a little more of John Pall II some would think a little more clearly. If both the Republican and Democratic candidates don&#039;t seem to want to respect or promote the dignity of the human person, something given to us by God, should we vote for them? I think the answer is pretty clear and commonsensical. And for those who seem to think there are no other candidates out there simply or who would be better morally speaking, well, I invite you to do your homework and spend maybe a little less time in front of the brain-sucker (i.e. T.V.).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still find it fascinating that it&#8217;s still so hard for some to follow coherent moral principles. The problem here is not abortion, or stem cell research, or euthanasia. The problem here is some still don&#8217;t understand the dignity of the human person, the principle upon which everything else is founded. If you understand that you will very quickly understand why what Reese insinuates to is way off the radar. Maybe if we all read a little more of John Pall II some would think a little more clearly. If both the Republican and Democratic candidates don&#8217;t seem to want to respect or promote the dignity of the human person, something given to us by God, should we vote for them? I think the answer is pretty clear and commonsensical. And for those who seem to think there are no other candidates out there simply or who would be better morally speaking, well, I invite you to do your homework and spend maybe a little less time in front of the brain-sucker (i.e. T.V.).</p>
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		<title>By: Jean-Pierre Chacon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean-Pierre Chacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 19:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Father Reese: When you were writing the column did you ask yourself why the Dems changed their platform? Is it because they had a change of heart? Did you see anything in action that led you to believe differently?

&quot;...the Republicans oppose programs ‚Äúaddressing poverty, providing health care, and offering other assistance to pregnant women, children, and families.‚Äù Just this one sentence alone reveals your underlying bias. Are you serious? They oppose Dem programs for addressing these issues not the issues themselves. WOW.

Right on Tony! Exactly my sentiments and thoughts. Obama is the most radical person, with regard to abortion and a whole bunch of other issues, ever to run for president. His statement that the first thing he would do would be to pass the Freedom of Choice Act is the giant Pink Donkey in the room.

Johanna: What is wrong with making abortion illegal??? That won&#039;t stop the number of abortions? Who says? Any way, it should be illegal because it is evil PERIOD. Making murder illegal doesn&#039;t seem to stop people from killing each other. But it is illegal because murder is evil. Get it!?

Mexico City Policy? Exporting tax dollars because using them here against our will for abortion is not enough? We have to make it easier for other countries to kill babies too? Any elitist or racist notions behind wanting to pay for abortions in poor and third world countries? This must be one of the &quot;programs addressing poverty, providing health care, and offering other assistance to pregnant women, children, and families&quot; that Father Reese was referring to in the article.

No matter how many times the wishy-washy clergy and laity say it or how big or loud the groups get, the Truth does not change. It is the same yesterday, today and forever.

God Bless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Father Reese: When you were writing the column did you ask yourself why the Dems changed their platform? Is it because they had a change of heart? Did you see anything in action that led you to believe differently?</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;the Republicans oppose programs ‚Äúaddressing poverty, providing health care, and offering other assistance to pregnant women, children, and families.‚Äù Just this one sentence alone reveals your underlying bias. Are you serious? They oppose Dem programs for addressing these issues not the issues themselves. WOW.</p>
<p>Right on Tony! Exactly my sentiments and thoughts. Obama is the most radical person, with regard to abortion and a whole bunch of other issues, ever to run for president. His statement that the first thing he would do would be to pass the Freedom of Choice Act is the giant Pink Donkey in the room.</p>
<p>Johanna: What is wrong with making abortion illegal??? That won&#8217;t stop the number of abortions? Who says? Any way, it should be illegal because it is evil PERIOD. Making murder illegal doesn&#8217;t seem to stop people from killing each other. But it is illegal because murder is evil. Get it!?</p>
<p>Mexico City Policy? Exporting tax dollars because using them here against our will for abortion is not enough? We have to make it easier for other countries to kill babies too? Any elitist or racist notions behind wanting to pay for abortions in poor and third world countries? This must be one of the &#8220;programs addressing poverty, providing health care, and offering other assistance to pregnant women, children, and families&#8221; that Father Reese was referring to in the article.</p>
<p>No matter how many times the wishy-washy clergy and laity say it or how big or loud the groups get, the Truth does not change. It is the same yesterday, today and forever.</p>
<p>God Bless.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Fr. Reese for your perspective on this issue - it&#039;s what I&#039;ve believed for a very long time!  As I&#039;m fond of saying, do we want to make abortion simply illegal (which will likely not reduce the rate) or obsolete, by fixing the broken systems that make many women choose abortion?  I believe the latter does more to reduce the number of abortions.

In reply to Tony and the Mexico City policy - Mexico City denied funds to programs that provided a wide range of health care for women in the developing world if they so much as mentioned abortion as an option in countries where it was legal.  I believe the Mexico City policy did more harm than good, and should be re-repealed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Fr. Reese for your perspective on this issue &#8211; it&#8217;s what I&#8217;ve believed for a very long time!  As I&#8217;m fond of saying, do we want to make abortion simply illegal (which will likely not reduce the rate) or obsolete, by fixing the broken systems that make many women choose abortion?  I believe the latter does more to reduce the number of abortions.</p>
<p>In reply to Tony and the Mexico City policy &#8211; Mexico City denied funds to programs that provided a wide range of health care for women in the developing world if they so much as mentioned abortion as an option in countries where it was legal.  I believe the Mexico City policy did more harm than good, and should be re-repealed.</p>
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		<title>By: MEH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MEH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a registered democrat but by no means vote only democrat. 
I do think that we need to look at all the issues but since this article is mostly about abortion, that is what I am going to address.
I think that Barak Obama says a lot of things that sound really great for us pro-lifers but his voting record and his comments to the pro-choice organizations tell another story. 
I don&#039;t think he is a bad candidate by any means but I think we need to be truthful in our assessment of him on this issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a registered democrat but by no means vote only democrat.<br />
I do think that we need to look at all the issues but since this article is mostly about abortion, that is what I am going to address.<br />
I think that Barak Obama says a lot of things that sound really great for us pro-lifers but his voting record and his comments to the pro-choice organizations tell another story.<br />
I don&#8217;t think he is a bad candidate by any means but I think we need to be truthful in our assessment of him on this issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 13:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Though I would be happy to be proven wrong if Sen. Obama wins the election, I think Fr. Reese is fooling himself by thinking that a President Obama will be good for the pro-life movement.  The official Democratic platform actually removed the word &quot;rare&quot; from their old &quot;abortion should be safe, legal and rare&quot; mantra.  Sen. Obama&#039;s support for the Freedom of Choice Act - an Act he said he would sign into law if elected President - would remove the current restrictions many states have on abortion and possibly remove conscience clauses for doctors who don&#039;t want to perform abortions.  The statement that the Democrats want to offer pre-natal help to women is positive but it doesn&#039;t outweigh the good that will be undone if the Freedom of Choice Act becomes law.  Frankly, I resent Fr. Reese&#039;s suggestion that only Catholics who support Obama are &quot;pragmatists.&quot;  I&#039;m judging the man based on his past record and what he has said regarding abortion, not on the rhetorical bipartisanship he&#039;s using in order to win the election.  If people are uncomfortable voting for McCain for various reasons, I accept that.  I even accept voting for a 3rd party or doing a write-in vote.  But saying that a President Obama would be good for the pro-life movement is a view that&#039;s not grounded in reality.  Take a look at this excerpt from Amy Welborn&#039;s blog for a little bit of history:

Take January 23, 1993. I remember that. Okay, so I didn‚Äôt remember the date until I looked it up, but I did remember it was the Saturday after Clinton‚Äôs first inauguration. And I was attending a workshop for catechists. In attendance at the workshop was an older religious sister. At one point, we were sitting next to each other and the new administration in Washington came up.

The sisters was dismayed. ‚ÄúDid you hear what President Clinton did?‚Äù

I nodded.

(If by chance, you have forgotten: Jan. 22: President Clinton reverses years of pro-life progress by issuing five executive orders reversing Title 10 regulations banning abortion referral by federal employees, repealing the Mexico City Policy restricting federal funding of international organizations that work to reverse countries‚Äô abortion laws, negating the ban on funding for fetal tissue transplants, ordering military hospitals to perform abortions, and asking the FDA to ‚Äúreview‚Äù the import ban on RU 486.‚Äù)

Yes, I‚Äôd heard about that.

‚ÄúI just can‚Äôt believe he did that,‚Äù Sister continued. ‚ÄúI don‚Äôt understand why he would do those things. I supported him.‚Äù

I was surprised, but not really. I tried to point out to Sister that President Clinton had run on an abortion rights platform supported in word and funds by abortion-rights groups, and reversal of these policies was a stated and clear goal of these groups.

She just shook her head again. ‚ÄúI still can‚Äôt believe it.‚Äù

And we gathered up our things and moved on to the next workshop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though I would be happy to be proven wrong if Sen. Obama wins the election, I think Fr. Reese is fooling himself by thinking that a President Obama will be good for the pro-life movement.  The official Democratic platform actually removed the word &#8220;rare&#8221; from their old &#8220;abortion should be safe, legal and rare&#8221; mantra.  Sen. Obama&#8217;s support for the Freedom of Choice Act &#8211; an Act he said he would sign into law if elected President &#8211; would remove the current restrictions many states have on abortion and possibly remove conscience clauses for doctors who don&#8217;t want to perform abortions.  The statement that the Democrats want to offer pre-natal help to women is positive but it doesn&#8217;t outweigh the good that will be undone if the Freedom of Choice Act becomes law.  Frankly, I resent Fr. Reese&#8217;s suggestion that only Catholics who support Obama are &#8220;pragmatists.&#8221;  I&#8217;m judging the man based on his past record and what he has said regarding abortion, not on the rhetorical bipartisanship he&#8217;s using in order to win the election.  If people are uncomfortable voting for McCain for various reasons, I accept that.  I even accept voting for a 3rd party or doing a write-in vote.  But saying that a President Obama would be good for the pro-life movement is a view that&#8217;s not grounded in reality.  Take a look at this excerpt from Amy Welborn&#8217;s blog for a little bit of history:</p>
<p>Take January 23, 1993. I remember that. Okay, so I didn‚Äôt remember the date until I looked it up, but I did remember it was the Saturday after Clinton‚Äôs first inauguration. And I was attending a workshop for catechists. In attendance at the workshop was an older religious sister. At one point, we were sitting next to each other and the new administration in Washington came up.</p>
<p>The sisters was dismayed. ‚ÄúDid you hear what President Clinton did?‚Äù</p>
<p>I nodded.</p>
<p>(If by chance, you have forgotten: Jan. 22: President Clinton reverses years of pro-life progress by issuing five executive orders reversing Title 10 regulations banning abortion referral by federal employees, repealing the Mexico City Policy restricting federal funding of international organizations that work to reverse countries‚Äô abortion laws, negating the ban on funding for fetal tissue transplants, ordering military hospitals to perform abortions, and asking the FDA to ‚Äúreview‚Äù the import ban on RU 486.‚Äù)</p>
<p>Yes, I‚Äôd heard about that.</p>
<p>‚ÄúI just can‚Äôt believe he did that,‚Äù Sister continued. ‚ÄúI don‚Äôt understand why he would do those things. I supported him.‚Äù</p>
<p>I was surprised, but not really. I tried to point out to Sister that President Clinton had run on an abortion rights platform supported in word and funds by abortion-rights groups, and reversal of these policies was a stated and clear goal of these groups.</p>
<p>She just shook her head again. ‚ÄúI still can‚Äôt believe it.‚Äù</p>
<p>And we gathered up our things and moved on to the next workshop.</p>
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