Comments on: What’s Happening in the Mass?

By: Lutheran by choice

Lutheran by choice — Sun, 27 Feb 2011 21:18:10 +0000

This comment is for Mike and others who think “consubstantiation” is a Lutheran doctrine please let me tell you it is NOT and never has been a Lutheran concept. Luther taught and the Lutheran Church still teaches REAL Presence . For the purpose of orthodox Lutheran Teachings may I suggest reading Luther’s Small Catechism, ISBN # 0-7586-1122-6, with particular emphasis on the chapter: The Sacrament of the Altar

By: cathyf

cathyf — Sun, 17 Jan 2010 05:27:41 +0000

Mike I am not Lutheran, but according to how Lutherans have explained “consubstantiation” to me you are totally off base with the “only a symbol” explanation. In transubstantiation, The Eucharist post-consecration has the accidents of bread and wine while the substance of Christ. In consubstantiation, the Eucharist has both the substance of bread and wine and the substance of Christ.

The Lutherans who explained this to me were totally exasperated by the notion that Catholics and Lutherans have this “major” dispute not about Christ, but about the metaphysics of food.

By: Bruce

Bruce — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:40:17 +0000

I’m not certain, but perhpas Jim means the article refers to “bread” and “wine” after consecration:

“Some people prefer to have the minister place the host directly on the tongue, while others prefer to receive the bread in cupped hands. After taking the bread, each person consumes the host and then simply returns to their seat. Different parishes use different forms of bread.”

By: mike

mike — Fri, 01 May 2009 21:27:00 +0000

Lutherans believe in Consubstantiation (the eucharist is only a symbol)and not transubstantiation (literally to go beyond the substance of what appears–that the true essence of the Eucharist that is present is the body and blood of Jesus although the “accidents” of bread and wine remain. I’m not sure what Jim means here other than to say that the sacrifice that is present here is clearly stated. Jim what are you trying to say?

By: Stuart Wilson-Smith

Stuart Wilson-Smith — Thu, 30 Apr 2009 02:18:44 +0000

Jim,

I’m also quite familiar with Luther’s view of the Mass. In what way do you feel that this article is in line with Luther’s reforms? Everything is mentioned here that you would normally see at a Catholic mass and even includes those things Luther and his followers would have considered ‘unscriptural.’

By: Aqualac

Aqualac — Thu, 30 Apr 2009 01:40:29 +0000

The Communion Rite isn’t the climax of the Mass, it is the Eucharistic Rite, where the Eucharist is consecrated and offered, because that is when we return to Calvary.

By: Jim

Jim — Sat, 04 Apr 2009 00:14:00 +0000

That was actually a very good description of the Mass according to Martin Luther. Do you realize what you are really saying?