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July 1st, 2014
#409- Can you be buried in the Catholic Church if you commit suicide?
 
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This week’s podcast covers a serious topic – funerals in cases of suicide. Fr. Steve, Barbara, and Summer Intern Morgan answer a question about what happens when you commit suicide and the possibility of being buried in the Catholic Church. Coming Attractions – A word of comfort for all those who are burdened or carrying a heavy load this week from the Gospel of Matthew. Church Search is headed to the tiny state of Rhode Island and Christ the King Church and University of Rhode Island Catholic Center in Kingston.

 

0:00 — Intro

7:23 — Question

19:29 — Coming Attractions



 
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  • Hope

    “Justice”, I find it interesting and ironic that your profile icon is a skull – even Satan knows scripture. Jesus detested legalism, which is what you are preaching. “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others. You blind guides, straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel! “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and the plate, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. You blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and the plate, that the outside also may be clean. “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are full of dead people’s bones and all uncleanness.” Remember the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath!

  • Justice

    Suicide is the willful rejection of God’s Grace, it is the unpardonable sin. Screw Vatican II, it didnt come from God, just look at is rotten fruit. You are rationing a violation of the the commandments. God already spoke on the issue he said “all sins may be forgiven, but those against the holy spirt will not be, neither in this life nor the next. Go read what the saints have written on the issue, you’ll see that they are not in sync with modern Catholicism.

    • PWB

      “Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide…We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. The Church prays for persons who have taken their own lives.” (CCC 2282-3)

      • Justice

        But he that shall deny me before men, I will also deny him before my Father who is in heaven. (Mathew 10:33)
        “‘He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with
        me scatters. Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men,
        but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. And whoever says a
        word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the
        Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come”
        (Matthew 12:22-32).

      • Mercy

        Your logic is in err because you’re assuming that to kill the Body is to harm the Spirit. This is not the case.

      • Justice

        Positive and direct suicide perpetrated without God’s consent always constitutes a grave injustice towards Him. To destroy a thing is to dispose of it as an absolute master and to act as one having full and independent dominion over it; but man does not possess this full and independent dominion over his life, since to be an owner one must be superior to his property. God has reserved to himself direct dominion over life; He is the owner of its substance and He has given man only the serviceable dominion, the right of use, with the charge of protecting and preserving the substance, that is, life itself. Consequently suicide is an attempt against the dominion and right of ownership of the Creator. To this injustice is added a serious offence against the charity which man owes to himself, since by his act he deprives himself of the greatest good in his possession and the possibility of attaining his final end.

      • Justice

        When u attempt to deprive God of what is rightfully his, then yes you do damage to the spirit. This is why Suicide is a Mortal sin.

      • Mercy

        If we use your premise that, essentially, “if you do not do God’s will, since all things are God’s in truth, then you damage the spirit. Therefore, a mortal sin,” then, every action we take, since none of us is perfect, is a sin, because no action by any mortal is in perfect harmony with God. Therefore, every action by any individual is a “mortal” sin. Hence nullifying the relevance of a “mortal” sin.

        We must understand life and sin through God’s love and mercy, otherwise we are left with law, justice, and lifelessness. Even though we are iniquitous and sinful and everything we do being disharmonic with God and His will, He still loves each and everyone one of us. This love overlooks our iniquitous nature and our sinful choices. However, God is not a tyrant. He allows our free will and choice to supersede His.

        In understanding this, suicide could only be a “mortal” sin if the decision behind the act was one in rebellion against God. However, most, if not all, suicides are based upon a void of two things: love and purpose. If an individual has either one of these, then they will not commit the act.

        God, in His infinite understanding and love, judges each individual upon esoteric knowledge of that individual. We are not privy to this knowledge and hence cannot decide whether an individual that committed suicide is, in fact,
        in heaven or hell.

        Therefore, suicide can and cannot be a mortal sin. It is, if you choose to do so in rebellion against God. It is not, otherwise.

      • PWB

        Okay, that’s good that you can quote Scripture. However, the teaching of the Church about suicide is clear. It is a sin, indeed, but like any other sin, one’s culpability is related to (along with other factors) one’s mental state. If you have a problem with the Catechism, take it up with Rome, not me.

  • Justice

    afraid to look, but feel more modernism coming up in the podcast

    • PeterIV

      Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged. Matthew 7:1 Let God decide.

      • Justice

        read a bit futher on in that passage and you will find a warning against false teachers. God, Jesus gave authority to peter to decide maters of faith (mathew 16:19). The bible also states that even if an angel should come preaching a gospel other than the one that had been handed down through the apostles, then that person should be treated as cursed (Gal 1:8).

      • PeterIV

        I’m sorry the Church and we the lowly people are not living up to your personal standards. I for one, will muddle along trying to do the best that I can….full well knowing it will never be enough. I let God do his job and I do what I am commanded to do “love my neighbor as I love myself”. I look forward to reading about your Canonization in the near future. :)

      • Darren Broadbent

        Then who can be saved? For man not possible. For God anything is possible. “Christ”

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