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Our readers asked:

What did Jesus have to say about homosexuality?

Ann Naffziger Answers:

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If you were to read all four gospels thoroughly in search of Jesus’ teachings on homosexuality it would be a futile endeavor. Not only would you come to the end of the gospels without finding anything attributed to Jesus on the subject, you wouldn’t even find a single reference to the issue in any context.

In fact, there are only a handful of references to homosexuality in the entire Bible, but they are found in the Old Testament and Paul’s writings. (To put it in perspective, while there are only seven references to homosexuality, there are hundreds, perhaps thousands, of references to economic justice and the laws governing the accumulation and distribution of wealth.)

Jesus’ silence on the subject suggests that an issue which can be controversial and/or fraught with emotion these days was simply not a central issue in his lifetime 2,000 years ago in the land of Palestine. The fact that he didn’t address this issue leaves us all to ponder what he might say were he here today.

 
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Ann Naffziger is a scripture instructor and spiritual director in the San Francisco Bay area. She has has written articles on spirituality and theology for various national magazines and edited several books on the Hebrew Scriptures.
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  • Bill M

    He didn’t talk about incest or beastiality either.

  • Human898

    Perhaps those that seek power over others search out that which they believe will propel them, in the eyes of the unthinking, pronounce superiority upon them, without superiority, there is no power over others.

    The recognition that there are no human beings without sin destroys any self claims, real or imagined, of moral superiority of any humans over others and equalizes all. Where there is no superiority, there is no power over others, but equal guilt of sin. Thus some humans appear to avoid any mention of the “good books” they use to condemn and assert moral superiority over others, of their equal status when it comes to being sinners, the same as those they propose to be superior to by condemnation of the sins of others, the lack of recognition of their own or lack of humility when it comes to their lecturing to others on what will “save” them and by doing so, apparently vainly confident that they have already done as the urge others to do.

    How do any of us/those who claim to “believe” also claim to believe we know for certainty that we are on the right road? I don’t know, since I don’t believe I could presume to know I am without sin. That perhaps should not prevent me/one from trying to live according to what they read to be the teachings and actions of Christ and the example provided by those actions and constantly question myself and my actions, no less than asking others about theirs and how they “square” (align) with what they claim to believe and believe in.

    • john

      ? Confusion. Human, Scripture please?

      Proverbs 18:17
      The first person to testify seems innocent, until the other comes and cross-examines him.

  • danny

    (NOT FROM THE BIBLE)
    Jesus: Now I ask you to love everyone as I have loved you.
    Follower 1:But what if someone is Gay?
    Follower 2:what if someone worships another god?
    Follower 1:Or what if someone doesn’t worship a god at all?
    Jesus: Did somthing I say escape your understanding?

    • john

      danny,

      Nice thoughts friend but Hear some quotes (In the Bible)

      Answer to your follower 1: Matthew 5;29 Jesus said If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell.30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell.

      Answer to your follower 2: John 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.

      Answer to your follower 1: Psalms 14:The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works

      Those are seeker questions from people who have not yet believed. Your followers 1 sexual sin and deniance of God and your follower 2 idolatry, For those things God sent Jesus to die for and all that would repent, follow and place their faith in Him he will Save and give eternal life in Heaven.

      This is how Jesus speaks to His followers

      Jesus Mark 8:34 If any man will follow me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

      Danny as a one time seeker myself Ive had those sort of questions but not anymore. Danny have you became a follower of Jesus yet? Or whats stopping you?

      • Debbie Simmons White

        John, the error in your argument is again presuming being gay is a SIN? Jesus never mentions or addresses homosexuals, however He does address judging others.
        Ponder that for a while.
        Bless you

      • john

        Hello Debbie

        Good morning. Seems like great human reason at least on the surface, but I’ve battled that spirit before. I don’t need to ponder for long I know What Is Written. 1st- I’ll answer you about the sin, Jesus, and then judging. I encourage you to read the Bible for yourself. Many, many strange teachers and teachings are out there nowadays that come from the spirit of man or Satan. You see that snake has had thousands of years to memorize and twist what is Written. he knows the scripture better than most, but his best and most obvious trick that he’s used from the beginning is to get people to question Gods Word, as he tells them “did God really say that?” See Genesis 3:1. Debbie It Is Written

        Leviticus 18:22

        You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

        1 Corinthians 6:9-11

        Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

        Romans 1:26-28

        For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.

        Leviticus 20:13

        If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

        1 Corinthians 7:2

        But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.

        Jude 1:7

        Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.

        Jesus addressed sexual immorality in people’s sex outside of marriage. What did Jesus call marriage? It is Written

        Mark 10:6-9

        But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”

        Jesus’ own followers said God’s standards for marriage to one woman for life unless one commits sexual immorality was difficult. They said if it’s like that its better not to marry. Jesus gave them another option and told them about the eunuchs. See Matthew 19:4-12

        Jesus and all of Scripture is Sound

        1 Timothy 1:10-11

        The sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine, in accordance with the gospel of the glory of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted.

        You can search all over God’s Word for the rest of your life, but you’ll never find one endorsement for homosexuality, but you will find many that call it Sin so why would any true believer give an endorsement for this or any other sin? This is life and death don’t twist Gods Word Debbie.

        As for Judging the english does not always clearly explain what was written. If you want I can send you the info but it would be better for you to see for yourself. Judging translated in the Bible is multiple words. If you get your Bible and a Concordance you see the type of Judging spoken of in John 8: a Judging in the here and now giving someone the physical death sentence because of their sexual sin. That’s spoken of as being wrong because we all have sinned, but those who repent and turn to Jesus can be forgiven. Thats wrongful, life condemning judging. But I would encourage you to look at all the other words and corrections that God and His followers are to judge. Calling sin sin, calling others to repentance, correcting wrong teaching and telling others of the wrath to come to all that practice sin and reject God’s forgiveness through Jesus Christ. This is common Christian practice and what we have been called to do is speak the truth in love. I was sinner apart from genuine saving faith, deep in my unrepentant pratice and endorsement of sin, HELL BOUND! If I see one like that standing over Hell’s fire and don’t yell repent, turn around, follow Christ, Seek Him and Live then Im not loving my neighbor!!

        Debbie do you believe in the Jesus of the Bible or have you followed another?

      • Debbie Simmons White

        Again you make a wrong assumption…I have read the Bible, and continue to do so everyday!
        I can not find one reference where He said we will be held responsible for another person. So even IF, (and it’s not) a sin to be gay, then that is between them and their maker. All I am told to do is love everyone, treat them like I want to be treated, and trust in our Savior Lord Jesus Christ to handle the rest!!
        If we go back to the Old Testamemt teachings we would all be stoned to death for ever having worn certain materials or doing even one thing on the Sabbath.
        What I hate most about so called Christians is their willingness to pick and choose scripture to use against someone else while ignoring the parts that may pertain to themselves.
        King James Bible
        Matthew 7.5
        Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

      • john

        Debbie

        Its Sin, you can read. I did not say we as New Testament believers should go back to the old testament. That dispensation is over, however many of the clearly stated sins and principles carried over, thats why its spoken of in the Old and New.

        You are told to love people but what does that mean, to let them die in their sins? Your told to love everyone but are you told to love everyones sin? Remember the due order In What is Written

        Matthew 22:36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” 37 And He said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the great and foremost commandment. 39 The second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself

        Debbie before loving sin or sinners in our own understanding we are to Love God with our whole heart, soul and mind. God is Holy and He calls Hes people to be Holy and first to Love him and His ways over any other, specially over sin. Debbie do you first love God and His Word with your whole heart, soul and mind or are you first loving sin and peoples approval? If so they are your god.

        you say “I have read the Bible, and continue to do so everyday! I can not find one reference where He said we will be held responsible for another person”

        in your daily reading have you ever come across What is Written?

        1 Corinthians 5:11

        But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person

        Matthew 18:15-17

        “If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother. “But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that BY THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY FACT MAY BE CONFIRMED. “If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.

        Galatians 6:1

        Brethren, even if anyone is caught in any trespass, you who are spiritual, restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness

        1 Timothy 5:20

        Those who continue in sin, rebuke in the presence of all, so that the rest also will be fearful of sinning.

        2 Timothy 3:16-17

        All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

        Debbie even the scripture you posted speaks against that false teaching of not speaking against sin. Look again.. we are to help remove the specks of sin in our brothers eyes but first make sure were not blinded in our own sin. If I have sinned show me and Ill repent fast. I fear God as He is, in Truth, Love and judgement. If my fleshly desires are in opposition to Gods Word then I will kill and deny it, but I wont make excuses or promote sin no matter how good it may feel to this flesh. God Word is my standard, It Is Written so who cares what I think or feel, likewise whoever else would promote the pratice of sin . Let God and His Word be true and everyman a lie!

        Debbie Read your Bible more so you can Know and follow the Truth, not defend sin. The Jesus of the Bible and the one your following right now are not the same. Ive been there so I see the symptoms. You are listening to some seducing spirits that mix truth with error. Free yourself, stop listening to man’s teachings and open your Bible.

      • munkee rentch

        How about Matthew 6:5-15:
        5 “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7 And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

        9 “This, then, is how you should pray:

        “‘Our Father in heaven,
        hallowed be your name,
        10 your kingdom come,
        your will be done,
        on earth as it is in heaven.
        11 Give us today our daily bread.
        12 And forgive us our debts,
        as we also have forgiven our debtors.
        13 And lead us not into temptation,[a]
        but deliver us from the evil one.[b]’ 14 For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.

        So all your caterwauling about “public prayer” goes right against the bible. Either you obey it all, or you burn in hell.

        Also, you christians are told, in no uncertain terms, to be humble, to pay your taxes and, when attacked, to turn the other cheek. I see very few of you actually following those commands. Which makes you hypocrites. Either it is all true or none of it is true. YOU don’t get to decide.

      • john

        Hello again munkee

        Question? Why do you not believe in the God of the Bible but you try to use His Word against Him and those that love Him? Munkee do these points that you say really make sense in your mind and do you really hope to trip up a child of God with this? You can beat on the shield of faith until you grow weary but its not even scratched. You will have to do better because we love Him and His Word. You will need to study way more and I pray you find Him in your studies and stop being a tool for the devil.

        In the scripture that you posted Jesus showed the motivations of the hypocrites which was to be seen and rewarded by man vs genuinely praying to be heard and rewarded by God. Then He went on to teach them how to pray. Private prayer is the foundation, then thats were understanding what is written is important. look here munkee at what is Written

        Isaiah 28:10

        10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line

        This is what you dont understand and why all your comments on scripture dont make any sense. Again precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line.

        It is written and shown many times line on line and precept on precept all the times that Jesus, and His followers prayed in public. One of Apostles actually gave the encouragment to pray without ceasing regardless of where your at. Whatever your motive munkee prayers will continue to go up all day long.

        I can give you line on line, precept upon precept that will show all your comments to be elementary reasoning. The scripture can show you the fuller truth to all your complaints if your willing to look. Were at times called to turn the cheek and at times told to protect ourselfs and defend others. Times to be humble and times to be strong and dogmatic, so on and so on. Yes munkee Christians real and fake ones are all able to sin and fall. Im in no way endoursing any sin or the continual unrepentant practice of it. Sin, It hurts me also when it happens, its hard to see, I know and on behalf of self and the body Im sorry. I too strive and hope now is the time His church starts to whiten her robes. Im trying munkee but were not perfect. We should not claim to be. We should strive for perfection and holyness as we were commanded to but its God and the Lord we serve that is Perfect in Holyness and its Him and His Word that I want to magnify.

        I do want to say that no true Christian should fear your above hell threats that stream from your simple mind.

        You say “Either you obey it all, or you burn in hell.” For those things people dont burn in Hell! Check His Book and roster. You will find many sinners of the worst kind but they all came to faith in Jesus, repented and followed Him. People burn in Hell because they reject Gods only way of Forgivness and Salvation through the Lords work on the cross. Munkee If im blunt or rude its not to you as a person. God honest truth thats not my motivation. Even Jesus called His own Satan when his thoughts were going against what is written and His Word says He corrects those He Loves. I speak to the spirit of error that works in your mind and trough your mouth. I was thinking about you earlier and your red lobster comment as I was enjoying a seafood dinner with my bride and babies. If you can receive it, I care. Munkee you served your pourpose today Im sure. Im greatful for yet another chance to share the gospel that can save sinners as it saved me. You can be saved too, Is there any truth of His gospel ringing in your heart? If so answer and go from a munkee to a son. Is it your time yet?

      • Bella

        TL;DR

        Munkee’s answer may be different to mine, but I’d like to add my comment in reply to your first question (which is pretty much all I read of that wall of text).

        You’re standing on a particular interpretation of the bible. It’s not unreasonable to quote the bible to you in order to challenge you on your interpretation.

      • john

        Hi Bella,

        Hope youre well. No pressure to read, Id prefer you know What is Written and follow Who wrote and inspired it, then teach others to do the same to the glory of God. Bella thats kind of a blanket statement. I dont exactly understand what you are saying. It is fully within all reason to quote, challenge and question a persons interpretation of the Bible. Their are plenty examples of that in the Scripture. If im wrong, I would appreciate knowing, only a fool hates correction according to Gods Word. Do you have a question or challenge of my interpretation?

        Fyi Im not standing on a particular interpretation of the Bible Im placing the Bible above my head and honoring it as it is, The inspired Word of God. Their are things such as prophecy and poetry that are up for interpretation and a look into the context. Those things I typically avoid but Im not ignorant to them. Now on the other hand their are things that are so clear in What is Written that only a deceiver or a person that is not yet uneducated would try to twist.

        Bella you call Gods Word the lower case bible. Do you not believe the Bible to be what it say it to be the inspired Word of God? Bella for conversations sake, are you a born again believer in Jesus or do you serve another?

      • john

        Hi Bella,

        Hope youre well. No pressure to read, Id prefer you know What is Written and follow Who wrote and inspired it, then teach others to do the same to the glory of God. Bella thats kind of a blanket statement. I dont exactly understand what you are saying. It is fully within all reason to quote, challenge and question a persons interpretation of the Bible. Their are plenty examples of that in the Scripture. If im wrong, I would appreciate knowing, only a fool hates correction according to Gods Word. Do you have a question or challenge of my interpretation?

        Fyi Im not standing on a particular interpretation of the Bible Im placing the Bible above my head and honoring it as it is, The inspired Word of God. Their are things such as prophecy and poetry that are up for interpretation and a look into the context. Those things I typically avoid but Im not ignorant to them. Now on the other hand their are things that are so clear in What is Written that only a deceiver or a person that is not yet educated would try to twist.

        Bella you call Gods Word the lower case bible. Do you not believe the Bible to be what it say it to be the inspired Word of God? Bella for conversations sake, are you a born again believer in Jesus or do you serve another?

      • john

        Hi Bella,

        Hope youre well. No pressure to read, Id prefer you know What is Written and follow Who wrote and inspired it, then teach others to do the same to the glory of God. Bella thats kind of a blanket statement. I dont exactly understand what you are saying. It is fully within all reason to quote, challenge and question a persons interpretation of the Bible. Their are plenty examples of that in the Scripture. If im wrong, I would appreciate knowing, only a fool hates correction according to Gods Word. Do you have a question or challenge of my interpretation?

        Fyi Im not standing on a particular interpretation of the Bible Im placing the Bible above my head and honoring it as it is, The inspired Word of God. Their are things such as prophecy and poetry that are up for interpretation and a look into the context. Those things I typically avoid but Im not ignorant to them. Now on the other hand their are things that are so clear in What is Written that only a deceiver or a person that is not yet educated would try to twist.

        Bella you call Gods Word the lower case bible. Do you not believe the Bible to be what it says it to be, The inspired Word of God? Bella for conversations sake, are you a born again believer in Jesus or do you serve another?

      • Bella

        John, my point was that Munkee quoted the bible to you and you questioned his Christianity. (“Why do you not believe in the God of the Bible but you try to use His Word against Him and those that love Him?”) You are assuming that anyone who believes something different from your own doctrines is automatically a) non-Christian, and b) using the bible against you. I merely gave a reason why people might quote the bible to you – and clearly have a different perspective – without being non-Christian.

        And yes, you are indeed standing on a particular interpretation of the bible. In fact, you’re in this discussion because your interpretation is different from that of some others in the conversation. And it’s not just the poetry and prophecy which need to be interpreted; our understanding of ALL of what the bible says depends on knowing a) the cultural context in which it was written, b) the meanings of words in the original languages, and c) the cultural context in which it’s being applied. (As a quick example: we interpret the commands about slavery in the light of the different cultural context of the time, and don’t continue to argue that commands to deal with slaves means we should still have them.)

        As for why I choose not to capitalise the bible – it’s because whether humans sek to make it important by capitalising or not is irrelevant to how important it is. The use of the definite article (“the”) makes it clear, without anything else. And in answer to your other question, yes, I’m a Christian. I’ve said so many times on this thread.

      • Human898

        You are using whose word to condemn others of God’s creation? Are you presuming to be God’s equal?

      • john

        Human none is equal to God and His Word!!! Who did I condemn that Gods Word does not condemn? Human you speak of Gods creation have you not read What is Written? Some are Gods wheat and some are tares, some are children of God and some are children of satan, some are His sheep and some are goats. I agree with His Word and Im not shy about speaking it. You say stuff like that above because you dont speak or know His Word and when you hear His Word it angers the spirit inside of you. Kill your flesh Human and if you want to teach about God at least know what his Word says.

      • Human898

        But John, why do you not recognize your own self-righteousness as you appear to point to the sins of others? Are there missing chapters to the books you spend so much time reading or do you simply choose to not discuss things like other sins, but those you appear to obsess about? Did Christ condemn sinners?

        John: Chapter 8:

        Jesus Delivers the Adulterous Woman

        1Jesus went unto the mount of Olives. 2And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them. 3And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, 4They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. 5Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? 6This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. 7So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.8And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. 9And they which heard it, being convicted by their ownconscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. 10When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? 11She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, NEITHER DO I CONDEMN THEE: go, and sin no more.

        Are you perhaps deluding yourself or pretending to be of a higher power than Christ and condemn sinners, where he did not? Are you presuming to be Christ/God’s equal that you might be without sin where you can tell others to “go and sin no more”?

      • john

        Hi human. Sorry for the late reply to all your messages. I was enjoying a nice family trip. Great some scripture! I was struggling to wonder what you were talking about as i was trying to sift through all your opinions, but Im glad you kept talking. I see what spipit you come from now and it is not the Holy Spirit. I think thats why I was feeling the confusion from your talking.

        First off, none is God/Christ’s equal!!! If only I could be counted worthy to be like Him, to be called one of His. Have I ever claimed to be Him? Have you missed my frequent reference to my self and all others as being under the curse of sin?

        Now You say “Are you presuming to be Christ/God’s equal that you might be without sin where you can tell others to “go and sin no more”?

        I see what spirit is in you. You hate that I am calling sin sin and that I am saying we should not endorse it or the pratice of it and that those who do will face the wrath of God. You hate full sound doctrine don’t you. You even dont want me to tell others the true gospel. You want to allow for the continuance of sin and silence people who correctly teach and preach it. That foul spirit! You hate when Gods people tell others to turn from their sin, dont you. Perhaps you are not familiar with the word repent!? It means to turn from sin! Its used over 100 times in the Bible that you are quoting. Shall I also tell you of the six hundred something times Holy is used and the hundred something time sanctify is used. You dont know His Word and Heart do you? You would rather people follow your ignorant, half gospel and be lost forever in hells fire wouldnt you!?

        It is Written

        Mark 1:4

        This messenger was John the Baptist. He was in the wilderness and preached that people should be baptized to show that they had repented of their sins and turned to God to be forgiven.

        Mark 6:12

        They went out and preached that people should repent.

        Luke 13:3

        Jesus said I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.

        Luke 24:46

        46 He told them, “This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day,47 and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations

        Human your a stumbling block and your Human ways are not His ways.

        Mark 6:6 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written:

        “‘These people honor me with their lips,
        but their hearts are far from me.
        7 They worship me in vain;
        their teachings are merely human rules.

        8 You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.”

        9 And he continued, “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions!

        Turning from sin saves you here and in the life to come. People need to be set free, what are you doing Human?Repentance is one of the clearest and most referenced themes in the Bible spoken by the patriarchs, prophets, Jesus and His Disciples and Followers. No Jesus did not stone on the spot, condemn this sinful woman or allow others to judge her to a physical death. But if she did not repent He would condem her in the life to come. Yes Jesus condemns sinners who dont repent and pratice sin, do I have to post a hundred Biblical referances that show that?

        Human your logic is flawed and your scripture usage is incomplete. Half truth is not true.

      • john

        Hi human. Sorry for the late reply to all your messages. I was enjoying a nice family trip. Great some scripture! I was struggling to wonder what you were talking about as i was trying to sift through all your opinions, but Im glad you kept talking. I see what spirit you come from and its not Holy. I think thats why I was feeling the confusion from your talking.

        First off, none is God/Christ’s equal!!! If only I could be counted worthy to be like Him, to be called one of His. Have I ever claimed to be Him? Have you missed my frequent reference to my self and all others as being under the curse of sin?

        Now You say “Are you presuming to be Christ/God’s equal that you might be without sin where you can tell others to “go and sin no more”?

        I see what spirit is in you. You hate that I am calling sin sin and that I am saying we should not endorse it or the pratice of it and that those who do will face the wrath of God. You hate full sound doctrine don’t you. You even dont want me to tell others the true gospel. You want to allow for the continuance of sin and silence people who correctly teach and preach it. That foul spirit! You hate when Gods people tell others to turn from their sin, dont you. Perhaps you are not familiar with the word repent!? It means to turn from sin! Its used over 100 times in the Bible that you are quoting. Shall I also tell you of the six hundred something times Holy is used and the hundred something time sanctify is used. You dont know His Word and Heart do you? You would rather people follow your ignorant, half gospel and be lost forever in hells fire wouldnt you!?

        It is Written

        Mark 1:4

        This messenger was John the Baptist. He was in the wilderness and preached that people should be baptized to show that they had repented of their sins and turned to God to be forgiven.

        Mark 6:12

        They went out and preached that people should repent.

        Luke 13:3

        Jesus said I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.

        Luke 24:46

        46 He told them, “This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day,47 and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations

        Human your a stumbling block and your Human ways are not His ways.

        Mark 6:6 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written:

        “‘These people honor me with their lips,
        but their hearts are far from me.
        7 They worship me in vain;
        their teachings are merely human rules.

        8 You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.”

        9 And he continued, “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions!

        Turning from sin saves you here and in the life to come. People need to be set free, what are you doing Human?Repentance is one of the clearest and most referenced themes in the Bible spoken by the patriarchs, prophets, Jesus and His Disciples and Followers. No Jesus did not stone on the spot, condemn this sinful woman or allow others to judge her to a physical death. But if she did not repent He would condem her in the life to come. Yes Jesus condemns sinners who dont repent and pratice sin, do I have to post a hundred Biblical referances that show that?

        Human your logic is flawed and your scripture usage is incomplete. Half truth is not true.

      • munkee rentch

        Then read Leviticus 11:12 and boycott Red Lobster, fool. Either it is ALL relevant or none of it is relevant. You can’t cherry pick. That makes you a false christian.

      • Dita Logos

        Jesus is God. They agree because They are One.

      • munkee rentch

        Funny you forget all the quotes Jesus makes against the wealthy. Why is that? Typical cherry picking. You either follow it all, or don’t bother because if your god is real, HE will know. You can lie to yourself, but you can’t lie to him. Either you preach against the wealthy as well or you burn in hell with them.

      • courtney goodwyn

        munkee rentch I can assume you don’t have anything and are looking for a free hand out? Jesus said to render unto God what is God’s unto Caesar what is Caesar’s. The poor and need were to only share a small part of your income. Should you be like most liberals they just guide others to free government hand outs!! God nor Jesus didn’t instruct their believers to become poor so other can help them!! You are just a hypocrite!!

        Mat 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

      • Tony Gutierrez

        Thanks for proving his point…you obviously believe in Republican Jesus…where money and wealth are worshiped.

      • courtney goodwyn

        You read the Bible to make it say what you want. I am too old I listen to what it says. I was like you stupid when I was younger!!! U need to grow up.

      • john

        Good Morning munkee, I hope you slept well. I had an amazing time last night reading Gods Word, spending time in prayer and worship. I was up until 4 this morning thinking about the beauties of the truth of my Lord and praying that others will come to faith in Him and believe/understand what is Written in the scriptures.

        Munkee you are right on time. You at times say things that would lead me to believe you have basic knowledge of God but other times you say things that show your need of spiritual milk basics. You speak of things that are elementary to anyone that knows and loves the scripture. From your comments, Im assuming you dont spend much time reading the scripture despite looking for so called contradictions in the Bible giving your carnal mind ammunition to slander a faith and a God that you dont yet know?

        Im assuming that God and His Word is not your first love you spend much time and have your treasure in things other then Him right? I could show you line on line through the scripture but I dont think you would take the time to really look it over? Ill try and keep it simple I want you Mr munkee to understand. The whole Bible is about Him.. Jesus. You’ve heard right? They call him Immanuel, God in the flesh. The Bible is also about us, His people and It also includes much about those that are not His. Scripture like the dating system that we use is split into two. You understand? Before the Christ and After His short visit here. In the two different testemants it shows Gods dealing with His people. First His dealing with man and Israel as a nation and the many laws, rules and regulations that were placed on them for many reasons. To name a few, preservation, avoiding sin, cleanliness but most importantly to show them that it would be impossible to make ones self right before God. They could not keep the full law making themselves right before God and neither could we. Scripture calls the Old testament a tutor to lead us to Gods ultimate plan, which was Jesus, being the only way we could be made right before God. See What Is Written here

        Galatians 3:24 Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ

        After Christ and the Cross we are in a different dispensation with God, a different testament. Many of the commandments, rules and regulations carried over and some did not. Jesus and the scripture made sure to show us what did and what did not. You seem to be green to scripture? If you have questions, thats cool, ask someone you trust, you are not required to have the whole Bible figured out. That is a life long process but be assured the basics answers are there.

        You seem to have a thing against the wealthy. Ill also address your your below scripture reference to old testament uncleaned shelled fish. The wealthy was not the subject we were talking about. I did not mean to avoid that cherry in my preaching so here are some things that are Written. I hope this helps you. One of many

        Mark 7:19 because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated” (Thus He declared all foods clean.)

        Remember the whole dispensation, testament thing? Then in that dispensation God forbid it and called it unclean. God had to preserve a people and eating a possible unclean animal that could cause sickness and plague would not help the cause. Whatever other possible reason idk its not for me to know everything. God is all knowing my friend. Ive learned to trust Him and His Word even if I do not understand everything. We are after all human and not able to understand everthing. munkee I want you to rest assure you can now enjoy the full Red Lobster menu. Thank you Jesus, Glory to God, Im glad to be in this testement because I love those biscuits and a good pork chop too.

        For you money statement It is Written

        Luke 12:15 Then he said, “Beware! Guard against every kind of greed. Life is not measured by how much you own.”

        16 Then he told them a story: “A rich man had a fertile farm that produced fine crops. 17 He said to himself, ‘What should I do? I don’t have room for all my crops.’ 18 Then he said, ‘I know! I’ll tear down my barns and build bigger ones. Then I’ll have room enough to store all my wheat and other goods. 19 And I’ll sit back and say to myself, “My friend, you have enough stored away for years to come. Now take it easy! Eat, drink, and be merry!”’

        20 “But God said to him, ‘You fool! You will die this very night. Then who will get everything you worked for?’

        21 “Yes, a person is a fool to store up earthly wealth but not have a rich relationship with God.”

        You see friend its not merely those that store up wealth the real issue is those that place that as their treasure and value that over relationship with God. To back you up yes many peoples despite what they say their god is money not the Lord and they like all others that dont accept, repent and follow God will not make the pearly gates. check out this!! the rich man and lazarus Luke 16:19-31.

        Those that place God first are His and you never have to worry about them being a giver to the poor and speaking against the oppression and selfish vanity that even God hates. If your looking for more on that sublect I would encourage you to also see the rich young ruler as a reference.

        Munkee my friend thanks, this was a blessing. You seem to put much thought into using the difficult scripture passages in the Bible that you dont appear to believe in to trip up someone that does not know what is written. All the more reasons for true believers to know and love God’s Word. If you place some effort and thought into how Jesus is shown and prophesied about over and over thousands of years before His arrival, look at the miracles that His enemies and followers could not deny even in the face of torture and death, Take a look into the Truths of our unexplained voids apart from Him and the truthfulness behind our sinful human nature. Look at Gods plan for our restoration to all that follow Him and the wrath that is coming to all that reject Him. Look to learn from God not attack Him and His people. If you do, you’ll see He’s full of Truth and Love. He came from Heaven to earth to die for the sins of all that would accept and follow Him.

        munkee you say “Either you preach against the wealthy as well or you burn in hell with them”

        People burn in Hell for not accepting, repenting and following the God of the Bible. Ive done that. God had to work hard to wrangle this wandering chief of sinners but Im His now. Are you?

        Munkee know that God would not create us and not revel Himself and His plan. He would not leave us ignorant, He gave us His Word/His Son. Its all true. When you Believe in Him and seek Him, the Word it comes to life in your heart and mind. The disciples after they took the first step believing in Him and committed to follow Him, they still had to be taught. Have you taken that first step or are you wanting to follow your own way? Are you willing to pay the price for your own sins? Hells no joke, fire and torment for a million years and its not a second closer to it being over. Flee sin, run to the Jesus of the Bible, He’s coming back. Warn your friends and family. Don’t choose this world over your maker.

        It Is Written

        Matthew:16 25

        If you try to hang on to your life, you will lose it. But if you give up your life for my”Jesus” sake, you will save it. 26 And what do you benefit if you gain the whole world but lose your own soul? Is anything worth more than your soul? 27 For the Son of Man will come with his angels in the glory of his Father and will judge all people according to their deeds.

      • Dita Logos

        Amen! I cannot speak for anyone else but I was certainly blessed by the Word there. God bless you.

  • GermanArmyBoy

    I’m gay and Christian, and nothing and nobody can take away my pride in both of these identities.

    • DrWayner

      Gay Pride yourself all the way to hell ArmyBoy and take a few others with you so Satan has a reason to turn up the heat on you.

    • cclark5195

      Good for you. I do not think those conditions are necessarily exclusive of each other. I would much rather have friends who were gay
      but were good, decent human beings than a person who spewed divisive, hate filled rhetoric and then claimed to be a Christian…..

    • john

      German Armyboy, Christian.. That word is thrown around loosely nowadays. Christians die to self and literally have and will died for that name. Are you commited to follow Jesus and His word like that? If you read the Bible or if are under a good teacher you should know of the many references to the practice of the homosexual life style as well as many others, calling them sin and the consequence of this non repentant practice is hell. If you said you are tempted and struggle with those sinful thoughts or even that you have recently given into the lust of that sin but you were seeking Gods help to overcome that sin in your life, Then I could believe by the scripture and the Words of Jesus and the Bible that you’re a Christian. We all sin and Jesus showed over and over that He would gladly forgive and Die for repentant sinners. If you take pride in sin but you believe you are a Christian bound for Heaven I beg you to consider what is written in the Scriptures.

      1John 3:7 Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; 8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. 9 No one who is born of God practices sin

      Germanarmyboy, Ill call you brother for the sake of humanity, if you want to see God, the God of the Bible in Heaven you should repent from sin and truly follow Christ. Remember from your reading that many think they are following the Jesus of the Bible but they are following a self made jesus idol fashioned to their liking. Seek Him and His Words my friend

      Matthew 7: 21 Jesus said “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’

      I would love to chat one day in paradise with you as true brothers. I pray you find the narrow path that leads you there.

      For real, much love, one soldier to another

      John

      • GermanArmyBoy

        I’m a little older and wiser to understand that moralisers unscrupulously dispirit others in the name of our good Christian faith. Some may even do it under the guise of compassion. I have come to terms with my sexuality, often with a lot of help from my own environment. I’m not going to parade it or seek validation, but it will be dishonest of me to abjure myself from coexisting peacefully with a core pillar of my being. Gay people exist everywhere, it is a near certainty that one exists in your own family or extended family. To actively encourage their suffering by calling them to lead a lifestyle that comes unnatural to them is not love or compassion; the myriad of gay suicides prove that.

      • john

        German, I would like to speak to you later after some prayer. I just came back from a trip and I spent some time talking with a homosexual. I noticed somethings. Gods Word has and will not change but my heart went out to the fellow and I cant help but think that In that time God could have been showing me just how hard the bondage of that sinful life style could be. In the mean while please tell me if you believe your sexual preference to be a spiritual struggle at times or do you practice that sin without any of the slightest thought of God and his Word? ttyl sir

      • GermanArmyBoy

        The “bondage of this lifestyle” is not because homosexuality itself is a “bondage” in any way- it’s the mistreatment of gay and lesbian people by: being relentlessly mocked by their peers, being made a subject of ridicule in the workplace or on the streets, having been constantly told that they are vile specimens of human brings, death threats, given sub-human treatment in all walks of life, having an incredibly limited safe space to explore their individuality, abandoned by their friends and families, and the risk of being hassled/abused if their sexuality were discovered. Those who give us sub-human treatment will have a lot more to answer for in the afterlife, than those who are actually homosexual. If love and compassion is your true call, then perhaps you would like to start teaching it to those self-professed Christians who treat us like filth?

    • Fundamentalist

      I pray that you would die and go to hell you brute freak! You vile beast!
      I pray to God that you will receive in yourself the due penalty for your sin.
      You REPROBATE! Go get aids and DIE!

      • john

        Fundamentalist,
        I see that you have a hatred towards sin, which is good. But make sure in your hatred towards sin, that you don’t sin in your anger towards a person that God loves and died for. I can’t wait for sin and evil to be judged once and for all, but I wouldn’t wish hell and condemnation on anyone. Remember the words spoken in
        2 Peter 3:9
        “The Lord is patient towards you not wishing for anyone to perish, but for all to come to repentance.”

      • Human898

        Is your name God or John? Perhaps you believe you are Christ that you are so confident to speak as if Christ or God?

      • john

        Human Im confident in His Word because I know it and Him. No one is God except God alone. Do you know Him and His Word? Do you know where It is Written

        1 Peter 4:11 If any man speak, let him speak according to the oracles of God. If any man minister, let him do it according to the ability which God giveth, that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

        Human are you familiar with the oracles and how they speak? Can you tell me of Moses, Noah, David, Samuel, Elijah, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Paul, John the Baptist or the Apostle John. Do you know how they spoke?

        Human, who would you have me to speak like? Nevermind that question. It is Written

        Acts 4:19 “Which is right in God’s eyes: to listen to you, or to him?

        Human dont flatter yourself.

      • GermanArmyBoy

        Go bathe in your fire of hatred and leave the peaceful folk be. :)

    • Human898

      As far as I can tell, God created you, as he did us all, yet I was led to believe that pride conflicts and is perhaps the opposite of humility and the humble and humility allows us to see our own sins, as clearly as we seem to be able to see others. Peace to you.

      • john

        Confusion…

        Ezekiel 13:10
        Because they lead Gods people astray, saying, “Peace,” when there is no peace

        German follow what is Written. A human will always be around to tell you their words

      • GermanArmyBoy

        Are you proud to be an American?

  • Skydog

    On the subject of applying the “hate” label to people who try to respond to articles such as this. All we’re doing is expressing an honest point of view, one which, in fact, is not really our own, we take it as the position given within the book we hold to be given by divine inspiration. And while there are some who might do so, or seem to, in a manner that is displeasing enough to the recipient that they would so label it, most of us try to confine our remarks to the sin and not to the person. Accusations of “hate” are remarks about the person and ought to be avoided, just as surely as we ought to avoid making derogatory remarks about anyone in expressing our own position. Stating what one believes the Bible to say is not a position of “hate.” And in fact, if you really consider the Christian position, it is actually quite the opposite. There are a couple of NT scriptures which do state that the practice of homosexuality can ultimately lead to prevention from entering the Kingdom of God. Whether you believe that along with us or not, consider for a moment what that means from the standpoint of those who DO believe it: If I truly believe something is going to prevent another person from eternity with God, then what is the most loving thing I can do in response to that belief? Seems to me it would be, do everything I can to let that information be known, in hopes that the person will receive it as true, and seek God.

    • john

      Skydog,

      You are a breath of fresh air. A Christian holding true to God’s Word. I have also been thinking about the fact that we as Christians want others to be saved & we tell people these things out of love & a want for them to be with Jesus in heaven, not to hate anyone. We would be doing a disservice to others and not following God’s Word to keep the message of the Gospel to ourselves, as based on the Great Commission of Jesus in Matthew.

      Again, thank you for this post. Well done.

      God bless brother.

      • A Lexa Ndra

        What I don’t understand is why you feel the need to convince people they should go to Heaven and try and get them to believe in whatever it is you believe in.
        I have my beliefs, but I don’t discuss them with anybody, nor do I try to convince people of anything. In this day and age, information is right there for us to reach, so people can easily do their research and then choose what they want to do and what they believe in. If anybody asks me for advice, I’ll try and give it, but I would never even dream of going around telling people they’re wrong and they should do things my way.

      • RamblerSteve

        Imagine if the Apostles had taken that approach. We don’t consider what we have to talk about just “advice”. We feel our beliefs are worth discussing. We tell people the Good News of Jesus because we want to share it and it involves people’s eternal souls. If you don’t wish to believe, that doesn’t mean we’ll stop trying. In Acts 4 when Peter and John were told to stop talking about Jesus they replied, “Judge for yourselves whether it is right in God’s sight to obey you rather than God. For we cannot help speaking about what we have seen and heard.”

      • Bella

        >>We don’t consider what we have to talk about just “advice”.<<

        No, you consider your beliefs to be more right than everyone else's, and right *for* everyone else. (Which is the answer to A Lexa Ndra's question about why you feel the need to.) But as a fallible human being, that is simply arrogance.

        What the chief priests didn't want was Peter and John doing a whole lot of miraculous healings in Jesus' name (see vv.16-17). No doubt if *you* were to do a whole lot of miraculous healings, people might be more ready to hear what you have to say.

      • Dani (Deb)

        We as followers of Christ are supposed to tell others of the gift of salvation and of Jesus love for us in hopes that they might reach for him in their hearts and that is to the sinners. Jesus came to save the sinners. It is not our job to condemn sinners but to lead them to Jesus with love and compassion. The so called judging many do is supposed to be for believers only who have strayed from their following of Christ. And it is not supposed to be harsh or hate filled judgment even then. We are to lovingly lift people back up to their standing with Christ.
        “Is it not those who are inside [the church] that you are to judge?” (1 Cor. 5:12)

      • Human898

        Interesting that you should express what you have A Lexa, considering what were recorded to be the words of Christ.

        (Luke 11:1-4)

        5And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 6But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

        7But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 8Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

    • Dani (Deb)

      truly our job is to just tell people of the gift of salvation through Jesus Christ and of his love and if they find Jesus then the sin will be taken care of. The only time we confront someone is the “brethren” who are followers of Christ and we try to “restore” them to the state of repentence and forgiveness. We can not save anyone. All we can do is give them the story of Jesus and salvation.

      • Human898

        My “belief” is perhaps different. I believe that by actually heeding and following the lessons and teachings of Christ, we do at least two things. Offer evidence of our belief in what he taught and lived as an example to us and teach, by our example of living according to his teachings. I find it interesting to hear a fair number of people who claim to believe in Christ come up with 101 reasons why turning the other cheek or doing good unto one’s enemies is “bleeding heart stupid” and suicidal. I’m not so sure Christ died for our sins, but as a result of our killing him (a sin) and as an example of turning the other cheek, with the lesson that revenge and doing evil unto others as one does evil to us, is NOT the lesson he lived or taught. He went to his crucifixion with no resistance, no calls to avenge his death, but the opposite, because of our ignorance (lack of humility and introspection) of our own actions or hypocrisies.

      • Skydog

        I don’t believe I said anything at all about “confronting.” In fact, read the last sentence of the post to which you replied, and you find that I simply spoke of “let(ting) that information be known, in hopes that the person will receive it as true, and seek God.” No confrontation was intended by that. We are told that false teachers will come into the body to deceive. I believe this is the nature of what took place here. The author of the article teaches contrary to what scripture says, and does so with the logical fallacy of “argument from absence.” You can’t start with what has not been said and use that as a foundation for what can be established as a truth. Check scripture and show me any place where false teachers are not confronted. Whether the author of this article is gay or not, I don’t know, nor was that issue germane to my response. When I spoke of someone receiving this information, it was not by “confrontation.” It would be more like, they chance upon this article and read the responses and see the remarks there. True, “all we can do is give them the story of Jesus and salvation.” But “gay is okay” (not a sin in the eyes of God) is not a part of that message, and responding to the comments of someone who would suggest otherwise is in order and should not be characterized, as is the tendency these days, as “gay-bashing.”

  • Skydog

    On the idea of “singling homosexuality out as worse”: strange how we get that all the time, and almost always within the context of response to an article such as this one, in which homosexuality has already been “singled out” as the topic of conversation. Either you want to talk about it or you don’t, if you don’t, then don’t respond; if you don’t want us to talk about it, don’t bring it up. Fact is, if someone were to write an article on the benefits of a life of theft, and try to portray it as something God would be pleased with, we’d respond to that too. Same with lying, cheating, murder, and on down the list. We really can’t help that someone else has “singled out” this particular sin as the one they wish to defend and try to legitimize and re-interpret Scripture so they can portray it as NOT being the sin that God says that it is. So please try to refrain from trying to attribute someone else’s “singling out” to us, we really have nothing to do with which sins other people attempt to legitimize.

    • Bob Loblaw

      you’re playing a really cute rhetorical game here, but that’s not what ‘singled out’ means. what being singled out means is that there are plenty of churches that will welcome you into their embrace and forgive you if you’ve murdered, committed adultery, etc… but if you are gay, then forget it. you are not welcome. that’s what it means to be singled out.

      • RamblerSteve

        I don’t see a singling out in the case of gays specifically. Hopefully when a person is welcomed into a church he/she stops their murderous, adulterous, etc. behavior. A person who continues in sinful behavior might be “singled out” regardless of what that behavior was.

      • Human898

        If confessionals and those who take confessions could talk….

      • Skydog

        But you don’t go from “plenty of churches” to a generalization applied to all. And if murderers and adulterers were doing the same thing being done in the name of “gay rights,” namely, trying to get us to redefine and reinterpret scripture to make it say what it doesn’t, or not say what it does, then you could draw that parallel. As it stands, you cannot. If someone did not repent of murder, I can’t see a congregation being willing to accept them in without some indication of repentance and an intent not to continue murdering.

  • Skydog

    Two things need to be acknowledged by those suggesting that Jesus “never said anything about homosexuality.” 1. Christians acknowledge Jesus to be God. Christian theology holds to a Trinitarian belief of one God in three Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Jesus is held to be fully God in the essence of who He is, with all the divine attributes. 2. Christians believe in a revealed Word, not just a bunch of writings thrown together, or mutually accepted as “hey, these are pretty good,” but writings that are divinely inspired. 2 Timothy 3:16, “All Scripture is given by inspiration of God…” The “inspiration of God” in the Greek literally means “God-breathed.” So (1) anything found in the Scriptures can be attributed to God; (2) Jesus is believed by Christians to be God; so (3) what the Scriptures say are what Jesus has to say. So it can’t be said that “Jesus said nothing” just because He did not say anything directly to the subject of homosexuality during the years he walked the earth, any more than we can say “drug abuse is okay because Jesus said nothing about it.” Jesus again and again affirms the marriage covenant, and he does so by appealing to the OT command, which specifically states it as the union of one man and one woman. Dennis Kinlaw has written an interesting piece on the subject of homosexuality, which points to the command to be fruitful and multiply as the greatest point of the marriage covenant. By this command, God invites them to join with him in being a part of the creative process. By doing so, “the two become one flesh”–literally. There is no homosexual union which participates in that creative union.

    • Bella

      Skydog, there are incredible problems with arguing that “the command to be fruitful and multiply is the greatest point of the marriage covenant”. Firstly, that command goes along with an anthropocratic view of the earth which is arguably impractical (since humans can’t “rule the earth” or subdue it – if they can, then do let me put you in a cage with a wild tiger and watch you subdue it!). Secondly, the command was given at a time when increasing the earth’s population was not risking the survival of the planet (which is absolutely no longer the case). Thirdly, it completely ignores marriages which do not and cannot include children (such as those of elderly people or those with an inability to have children). Fourthly, it was given in a context which was almost immediately changed (including male-female gender dynamics) consequent on the Fall.

      And finally, it was written down at an absolute minimum 2500 years after the event (allowing for Genesis having been written around the time of Moses and using a Young Earth dating for Creation). Do you really think that that’s at all plausible? If someone were to say now, in 2015, that they know some new thing that Jesus said back in 30CE, which has never been written down before, would you believe them? Would you argue that they were God-inspired and so everyone must believe it? Or would you be more likely to believe them deluded because it’s not a contemporary record?

      Oh, and by the way, creating an intimate, loving relationship (with or without children) is “joining with God in the creative process”. It’s not creating children, but that’s not, by a long shot, all that God created. One could even argue that it’s not any of what God created, since God’s creative act didn’t generate a whole lot of baby gods.

      • disqus_n8fdcNvUvq

        Your tiger example is silly. Humans rule over animals because of a higher intelligence. A man can rule a tiger because a man can outsmart a tiger, not physically beat it.

        I could use your example against you. How could you put that tiger in a cage to fight me unless you somehow controlled that tiger? See my point?

      • Bella

        I take your point, although I’d also disagree with humans having higher intelligence than all animals. But then, I’m not starting out from an anthropocratic viewpoint.

        But in any case that was one parenthetic example for one of six points I made in my post, and I didn’t notice you attempting answers to the other five.

    • Dermot B

      Your list of acknowledgments doesn’t mention homosexuality at all. Nor have you provided any quote from jesus. Sorry but you lose! Bye…

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