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What did Jesus have to say about homosexuality?

Ann Naffziger Answers:

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If you were to read all four gospels thoroughly in search of Jesus’ teachings on homosexuality it would be a futile endeavor. Not only would you come to the end of the gospels without finding anything attributed to Jesus on the subject, you wouldn’t even find a single reference to the issue in any context.

In fact, there are only a handful of references to homosexuality in the entire Bible, but they are found in the Old Testament and Paul’s writings. (To put it in perspective, while there are only seven references to homosexuality, there are hundreds, perhaps thousands, of references to economic justice and the laws governing the accumulation and distribution of wealth.)

Jesus’ silence on the subject suggests that an issue which can be controversial and/or fraught with emotion these days was simply not a central issue in his lifetime 2,000 years ago in the land of Palestine. The fact that he didn’t address this issue leaves us all to ponder what he might say were he here today.

 
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The Author : Ann Naffziger
Ann Naffziger is a scripture instructor and spiritual director in the San Francisco Bay area. She has has written articles on spirituality and theology for various national magazines and edited several books on the Hebrew Scriptures.
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  • Alicia

    This is completely incorrect and misleading. Jesus did not directly and specifically addressed homosexuality but he did two major references in this subject. First Jesus specifically defined marriage as one man and one woman when he was asked about marriage. This clearly indicates that he does not consider that a marriage can exist between two men or two women. Further, Jesus stated: follow the commandments. One of these commandments which Jesus orders to follow is ” do not fornicate” fornication is any sexual act outside marriage. Given that Jesus specified that marriage only can happen between a male and female this means that any homosexual act is considered by him as fornication. Hence homosexual acts according to Jesus are fornication.

    • David Renfro

      So you’re not even considering in the smallest degree in your hypothesis that Jesus, in the definition you use, might be referring that ONE man and ONE woman brings a contradiction on POLYGAMY…?

    • CarBar

      It is there under the word ‘effeminate’ which is to take upon the mannerisms of a female, the posture of a female, the domestic role of a female and to wear the clothes of a female. It is there, the guilty sin of flesh just don’t wanna believe that it is.

      • Lisa Hlad Matthis

        so are you saying that “stay at home dads” since they take on the domestic role of a female in many ways are sinners? LOOK and READ what you just said..

      • CarBar

        Widowers are protected from the law.

    • easterlywind

      Alicia; You are basing your entire argument on your interpretation of an English translation of the bible. As a matter of fact, in my bible the 7th commandment says thou shalt not commit “adultery”. There is no mention of the word “fornication” in the 10 commandments in my version of the Bible. Neither the words adultery nor fornication existed in Jesus’ world at that time. Neither of these words exist in Hebrew which is the language of the original bible. Each of these translated words have vastly different meanings. Wouldn’t you agree?
      The entire gist of Jesus teachings is to love thy neighbor and do not be judgmental of others. He said to Mary Magdalene’s persecutors who were ready to stone her to death for prostitution, “let he who is without sin, cast the first stone”….(or something to that effect in Hebrew.) Right now you are throwing the stones anyway, Alicia. What was Mary Magdalene’s offence? ….Fornication, or sex outside of marriage.
      Are you so pure that on your own judgment day you can stand before God and say “I have earned the right to judge other people just as you do.”? How’s that going to work for you?
      We all need to stop trying to make others live up to our own or Jesus’ or the Bible’s standards and begin to strive to live up to them ourselves.

      • Lisa Hlad Matthis

        not to mention that the ten commandments were way before Jesus was born… or am i mistaken? i only remember two commandments that Jesus gave us.. the second being love thy neighbor as thyself.. and hating anyone is in violation of the second no matter what reason you have for hating.. how dare anyone put words in Jesus’ mouth.. i agree with you that Jesus did not want us to judge, no matter what the old testament says, those are not the teachings of Jesus Christ and everyone should know that the more you translate things into a different language over and over things are lost.. after all “MAN” can refer to mankind, humanity, the male of the species, etc.. which is it? not for us to judge

      • Sam

        I don’t think Alicia viewpoint about this issue should be seen as hatred or judgment. Alicia was just express her view point.
        Also easterlywind , remember that after Jesus ask anyone who have not sin to throw the first stone and no one did, he said something to Mary Magdalene’s “go and sin no more” so he sees what she just did as SIN.
        In our 21st Century, we seems to start using Jesus word on “Love your neighbor as yourself” as an excuse to continue in our own ways and expect no one to comment on it. Jesus will just sit up there and laugh at our ignorance….

    • Mason Lady

      Alicia, It does not “clearly indicate” what you say. He had been asked if a man could put away his wife and take another. His response was that marriage was between one man and one woman. When you consider the entire conversation, you realize Christ was simply saying “One man and one woman, not one man and several women.” Nothing else!

    • Stuart Erb

      I understand the reason for discussions like this but I can’t help to think that there are so much worse things happening in the world besides consensual sex between grown adults. As far as I believe, these issues are distractions from the real problems facing mankind.

      • Stuart Erb

        What if I told you that global hunger could end. Wouldn’t that be more worth our efforts? Rather than profiling different sins.

      • Guest

        The original Illuminati in England was literally revealed by an act of God. For the same reasons Babel was destroyed. Adam Weishaupt sent a courrier to deliver a message involving a plot to take over the government and take control from behind the scenes. This courrier was STRUCK DEAD by lightning. If it weren’t for this event, we might not have ever known that there was ever a secret, literally satanic plot.

  • bk2baker

    What is interesting about this discussion is the somewhat leading question being asked…and I paraphrase…”did Jesus mention homosexuality.” As some have already pointed out, of course not. That word had not yet been associated with same-sex relationships during Jesus’ time. So, really what we should be asking is ‘how did Jesus define marriage?’ This question is clearly answered in Matt 19:4-6 where he supports the Old Testament definition of marriage as between a man and a woman. Jesus states (in RED):

    Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning made them male and female, and said, “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh”? So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate (Matthew 19:4-6).

    It should be noted that ALL scholars (that I’ve researched) agree with this translation (i.e. male & female). Furthermore, Jesus condemned the sins of fornication (Matt 15:19), sexual immorality (Matt 19:9) and adultery (Matt 19:18) within the context of heterosexual marriage. In other words (and in context of Matt 19), ANY sexual activity outside of heterosexual marriage is a sin. So, from a Christian’s perspective, God supports marriage as He created it…between a man and a woman.

    So, instead of bashing Christians, you may want to find out where they’re coming from on this issue. If it is hatred for any man (gay or straight), they are wrong and themselves living in sin by the Bible’s standard. If however, their intent is to protect the definition/institution of marriage as God intended it, we should respect their religious convictions…NOT demean their faith. After all, I can rationalize Christians fearing the disapproval of God more than that of man.

    • ChrisinAK

      I think you have this wrong. Context is important here and Jesus was questioned by the Pharisees about divorce. These comments were stating that he believed no institution could deny what God brought to the marriage.

      More interesting is what he says in verse 11-12 when asked by the Pharisees why their Old testament allows them to divorce:

      11 Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given.12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”

      The one who CAN accept this (status or situation) SHOULD. He made no commandment as to this matter.

      • Lisa Hlad Matthis

        so do you really think that if a man is beating and mistreating his wife, there should be no divorce and Jesus would stand by that man… so insightful you are..

      • Stuart Erb

        In that case then that man has broken his vow to love and respect his wife. Maybe Jesus is telling us here that the man should be made into a eunuch?

    • Lisa Hlad Matthis

      again you are defining marriage based on “christian” beliefs.. not “civil”. changing the “civil” law has nothing to do with changing people’s “christian” beliefs. that is the separation of church and state. those of you who are christian (and i am one of you) do not have the right to tell others who do not believe in the same thing that you do how to live. civil law exists to prevent total chaos. Does the bible state that “thou shalt stop at all red lights”? Of course not, but the civil law does.. try to think about it that way.. no one is saying that the “church” or any particular denomination must marry gays or lesbians, but they are stating that they should have the same “civil” rights as everyone else to be married in the eyes of the government.. government IS NOT Jesus or the church.. After all.. Labor Day is a national holiday but not one in the church now is it.. do ya see my point?

      • Stuart Erb

        Very intriguing perspective. I hope not to sound ignorant here, but then what is marriage without God? Is there some way to let the Christians keep their traditional ways without forcing them to change (you did say separation of Church and State) while at the same time giving the Gays what they want to feel respected as human beings? Perhaps because of my upbringing I associate marriage with religion. I could be wrong. But if I’m right, then aren’t the efforts for gays to obtain marriage contradictory to its self? I don’t believe Priests should be forced to conduct gay weddings if it goes against their beliefs. But I believe that homosexuals deserve the same human rights as everybody else. Is marriage a religious tradition?

    • JiminLA LA

      It is impossible for “ALL scholars” to agree with you, do some more researching, other than two or three of other people’s opinions. You have a closed mind to anything counter to what you have been taught, which tells me that you yourself have not done any personal study, except latch onto a few out of context verses, then parrot back to others what you have been told. (FYI, the word “homosexual” was never in the original text of the translated KJV; it was only put in when modern men chose to change the text to suit their own personal beliefs, and then force them on to their parishioners by way of “accept my teachings (pastor), or you (congregation) will burn in hell.” Anything based on fear is not “perfect love”. Why don’t you believe and exercise the first and second commandment, love the Lord your God with all your heart….. and the second is like it, love your neighbor as yourself; and leave the judging to God, who searches all men’s hearts, gay and not gay.

  • http://www.ericschuetz.com/ Eric Schuetz

    I am not a “gay basher”. I respect those that are homosexual. Hell, I have worked for a gay couple for years, and considered the with great esteem. However, Jesus needed not talk about homosexuality, as the OT did so enough…and it was pointless to discuss further. Matthew 5:17 states clearly that Jesus was not abolishing the old laws of the prophets. And one of those laws states that if a man were to lay with another man as if with a woman, both shall be stoned to death. And this is why I dislike the bible.

    • Juan Olivier

      Then you do not like the Bible because you do not know it. The law of the profits and the law of Moses are not the same thing. The stoning of gays are under Moses’s law in the old covenant. Since we are now under a new covenant for almost 2000 we do not follow the law of the old covenant. Jesus clearly demonstrates this fact by not only saying we are under a new covenant and that we should not mix the 2 but by also demonstrating it by saving Mary Magdalene from been stoned to death for adultery that would of been the proper thing to do under the old covenant.

      • http://www.ericschuetz.com/ Eric Schuetz

        Did you not read Matthew 5:17? That is NEW TESTAMENT. You can not “pick and choose” what you wish to follow from the Bible, correct? If it is that book, it is meant to be “The Word of God”, correct? If that is the case, then you are quite wrong, and are a very poor Christian. As an Atheist, I seem to know about your Bible than you do.

      • Juan Olivier

        Matthew 5:17 Do not think that I have come to
        abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill
        them.

        Do not pick and choose the parts you want. Notice the “fulfill them” part.

        Tell me if Jesus wanted to keep the old laws then why did He stop the whore from being stoned that should have been done under the old laws? Here He clearly demonstrates that the old Law is being replaced by the
        new covenant.

        Thank you once again for showing how little naturalist
        know of the Bible. You naturalist should really try know something first before try to discredit it.

      • http://www.ericschuetz.com/ Eric Schuetz

        Or, you could argue that what he demonstrated was “Do as I say, not as I do”. This is a point of either contradiction within the texts, or a demonstration of tolerance towards someone regarding a chance of redemption. Regardless, if she did not forsake her ways before him in the story, she would have been stoned in accordance to the “Old Laws”. You are just putting a spin on the story to best fit your needs in regards to the debate.

      • Juan Olivier

        I’m am not putting spin on anything. The fact is if the laws was still valid then Jesus would not have broken the law set
        by His Father by saving her. This clearly shows that the laws of the old covenant has been replaced by the new covenant, no matter what way you try to look at it.

  • Opentoread

    So I have been reading all these comments and taking notes because a relative I am living with gave me a assignment to look up what Jesus says about homosexuality and his main point that he talks about.
    Now before I continue I want to make it clear, I am bisexual, I do have a girlfriend, and I am Christian and so is this relative. If you going to hate on me go ahead I am going to love you anyways.
    And if you are christian and you have a different point of view I want to hear it, but don’t tell me what I am doing is wrong my close sisters and brothers in Christ already made that clear.

    • http://www.ericschuetz.com/ Eric Schuetz

      I am sorry, but Matthew 5:17 clearly stated that Jesus was not there to abolish the old laws of the prophets. One of which was that stated that a man that lays with another man (or woman with woman) shall be stoned to death. Now, if you read my comment I made prior to this…and about 2 hours after your initial posting here that I am replying to, I encourage you to be who you are, and be strong in yourself.

      • Gerald Daines

        A man that lays with his neighbor’s wife should be executed, then?

      • http://www.ericschuetz.com/ Eric Schuetz

        Sadly, and this is a few days late to reply. sorry. Anyway, if one is to take the bible literally, and well…if one is to call themselves a Christian, they are supposed to…yes Gerald. To death to those that commit adultery.

        With that…I refute the words of the bible. I refute religion. I follow what I see is morally right, by not only the laws of the land, but by what represents civility to others around me.

      • Lisa Hlad Matthis

        but but but… i thought Jesus came and died for my sins so that if i believe I would have eternal life and didn’t have to pay for my sins.. you are really confusing.. i guess we should go out and stone people then. . but i’m thinking if i start throwing stones at Sarah Palin’s daughter first they might lock me up for life.. even if i did it in the name of Jesus..

      • genesis667

        I believe Jesus also said go and sin no more–So while gay people can easily be forgiven, it’s the sin no more part they don’t want to heed…Just as the drunk doesn’t want to give up his booze, or the addict his drugs, or the gay his perverse lifestyle…You are attempting to re-interpret the word of god as you own way of thinking, which is fine by me, but don’t expect others to do so as well—Jesus clearly said that once you know the truth you would have been better off never being saved than being saved and continuing in sin because for you there remains no further sacrifice…He also said be not a part of this world—Not to mention him saying if your right hand causes you to sin cut it off, better to lose one member than your entire spirit..

      • http://www.ericschuetz.com/ Eric Schuetz

        Lisa, what is confusing? If you read your bible, all the laws and dictates are presented there for you. I am just pointing them out. And, as for stoning people, yeah, you will get locked up. The U.S. Supreme court has already made statutes that dictate that laws of the bible are illegal in the eyes of the laws of the United States.

      • Opentoread

        Ok thank you Mr. Eric for posting. And thank you for the advice you have given me. I will definitely stay the way I am. Even if I may no longer may go to heaven I am still going to praise God for all he has done for me thus far. ^_^

      • http://www.ericschuetz.com/ Eric Schuetz

        Nothing wrong there. You do what feels best, and that is all that matters.

      • Lisa Hlad Matthis

        so Jesus stands for slavery, cutting of the hand of the thief and selling your daughters into slavery and marriage.. thanks. how much can i tell my girlfriend she can get for her 13 year old.. she just lost her job and really needs some money..

      • http://www.ericschuetz.com/ Eric Schuetz

        *facepalm* Sounds like questions best reserved for your priest, pastor, or general clergymen.

    • Ki Brosius

      The bible was written by men. I would suggest praying. Pray. Ask Jesus if what you are doing is wrong. Look up “UPG”. Have a living relationship with your God. I highly doubt Jesus cares one way or the other whom you are having sexy fun times with, but ask him yourself. Your relatives have no business being in your sexuality even out of a misguided notion of “love”. You are at the rudder of your own ship.

    • Mason Lady

      The men who decided what went into the Bible were of a much different mindset than we are today. They were less educated and put a lot of junk in the Bible that is no longer relevant, like eating pork, stoning women for adultery or wearing clothes made of two different threads. Many good Christians are LGBT. We are here to stay, no longer ashamed, no longer fearful. We could care less what the bigots say, we demand our rights so you better get use to it! Now you tell your relative that you read what Jesus said, and he wants you to live you life with Love, Joy and Happiness.

  • lolabird

    Young teenagers today are committing suicide because they are so conflicted about their sexual orientation. What would be an answer for this?

    • michiganliberty

      They are conflicted because they have bought into the modern, secular lie. Tell them to read the Bible, and follow it commandments.

      • lolabird

        What modern, secular lie have teenagers bought into?
        Thee are 614 commandments in the Jewish sect. Which particular commandment would you suggest?
        Which particular scripture helped you to choose your sexual orientation?

      • Ki Brosius

        No, they are conflicted because bible thumpers who like to push their own beliefs on others bully them into believing they are evil. Whatever happened to love the sinner, hate the sin?

  • WaStConcerned

    Jesus and “god” are an invention of man…..it is a travesty that “the bible” even exists – it is only man’s interpretation of the myth.

    • Indya

      God does exist, just not the way religious folk would have us all believe. God is an ever-present force with no take on morality, sin, etc. God just is. The Bible is a farce, true, and possibly even Jesus, but I’ve had many spiritual experiences that have lead me to believe, without a shadow of a doubt, that this plane of existence is not the only one. Even quantum physics lends itself to this theory.

      • genesis667

        The bible has proven to be incredibly accurate, your hogwash of no morality or sin is just that, hogwash…

      • JiminLA LA

        Judging is not the way to represent yourself as a Christian… I thought Christians were expected to set the example in WORD and deed, to others?

    • michiganliberty

      Jesus of Nazareth was a real person. No serious historian disputes his existence. As to whether he was God, that is a matter of belief.

    • Ki Brosius

      God is a very pervasive mythos through every culture everywhere, enough so that I would say that either god exists or man needs god to exist, neither of which do I think spells out a weakness in mankind. It is what we do with God that causes problems. As a polytheist, I’ve taken a different path, obviously, and to me the Gods are real, very real, but they don’t teach hate, oddly enough.

  • Larry Hurst

    The Bible is incomplete….fact. “Man” wrote the Bible. Man assembled it with political inspiration….not a fax from God saying what to put in it. many many many books were left out….The Revelation of John was almost left out but put in at the last minute. If the church came out and said Jesus was IN FACT married…I would not worship Him any less. He is My Lord and Savior, married or not. And I believe with all of my heart that He would sit at the same table and eat with homosexuals before he would eat with some of the other dingbats that are in this world. Face it…Love is NOT a sin, Lust and random sex is. Get over it people!!!

  • Megan

    The bible says “Love the sinner, hate the sin” not HATE THE SINNER FOR THE SINNING. Yes it talks about Love thy Neighbor, but it also says that homosexuality is a sin. Sorry, Not trying to hate on anyone, but we can’t pick and choose what works for us. The entire bible is for us to understand. Love the Sinner, hate the sin!

    • Don

      Bible also says we shouldn’t divorce, should eat well, should give up our riches, and a thousand other countless things which many people do not do day in day out. People pick and choose all the time simply because it would be impossible to follow every literal statement to an exact degree. The Bible will always be subjectively construed to suit people’s agenda, whether for good or for bad.

    • Chloe

      The Bible never says “Love the sinner, hate the sin.” This is a common misconception about Christianity and its beliefs. This is actually a quote by St. Augustine.

  • Calvin Rumage

    I will address three tings I have read today. First. As for Jesus not saying that homosexuals are wrong. God and Jesus are the same being, and God says in Leviticus 18:22 that “thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Those of you who say it’s okay are condemning these people to everlasting damnation. There are other remarks I’ll have to find that says they should be stoned. Second for those who say the bible is written by man. who do you think god is?? have someone hold your hand while you write and slap you every time you write what you will now increase that punishment a thousand times hello. God told them what to write you Gits. and Third. for those who say they are gay Christians. I’ll have to find the verse, there are those who will say we cast out demons in your name he God will say I never new you. Better yet look and actually read the bible, obviously a lot never have. God help these who mistake those of the devil with that of God; Because you will be held accountable for what you do.

    • lolabird

      Love is patient; love is kind; love is not envious or boastful or arrogant or rude.

      Love does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful;

      Love does not rejoice in wrongdoing, but rejoices in the truth.

      Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

      Love never ends. . . faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

      Dr. Viktor Frankl, a German Jew who survived the Nazi concentration camps during the Holocaust, wrote in his book Man’s Search for Meaning of rare but remarkable examples of men who dying of hunger, yet still gave comfort, along with their last crusts of bread, to their fellow sufferers to alleviate their suffering. Even torture and extreme deprivation could not cause them to abandon their deeply-felt compassion. But those prisoners described by Frankl were Jewish. They haven’t confessed Jesus as their savior. I’m sure Paul would consign them to hell, while Jesus would embrace them and count them among His sheep.
      Would you tell us why it was okay for David and his son, Solomon, to have many wives and many concubines. Would you tell us why Jesus never mentioned homosexuality. Would you tell us when you made the choice to be ‘straight.’

      • michiganliberty

        David was punished for adultery.

      • lolabird

        His adultery with which wife? With which concubine?
        How was he punished?

    • greenlee_blue24

      Okay, how do you know that the guy who wrote the bible didn’t just change something because he didn’t agree with him? Who was their to stop him? He wasn’t perfect. Being gay is not a choice! do you tell your penis when to get hard or get soft at will?! NO! so why do you think we do?!?!?! I know for a fact god made me this way. how? because i remember and i was there. you were NOT! i do not believe in the bible. i can’t believe in something that talks about stoning your kids to death for backtalking, and slavery. the bible says you shouldn’t judge, get tattoos, eat pork or shrimp, wear clothes woven with two different kinds of fabrics, and that you can sell your kids, and that a man may have many conqubines (those are hos) here it’s illegal. take a human sexuality class. you may learn something. a person is born one of 4 ways. gay, straight, bi, or asexual. PERIOD! why should we change who we are to be accepted by ANYONE?! He’s god, he accepts us for who and what we are and loves us no matter what! you people may think your not being judgmental and discriminatory, but you are! and that’s a sin. also, if your so for what the bible says, the bible says the ultimate sin is taking the lords name in vein, so why hasn’t anyone banned that or made it against the law?! work on that and leave us alone. cause the bible isn’t the reason for your problem. you simply are uncomfortable with us, THAT is ur problem. and shame on you for using god, the bible, and religion to justify being a judgmental asshole! when you go through and been through what we go through then you can talk. You telling a gay person that being gay is wrong and a choice is like a man telling a woman, “oh don’t tell me natural child birth hurt! i do not BELIEVE it hurt!” uh, hello? you’ve never felt it so how would u know?! HYPOCRITE!

      • Kimberly Clark Robbins

        So, just because you can’t control your physical self means that you can just act on it? Then ANY married MAN or boyfriend who gets himself arroused should just be able to attack whomever they choose, because they do not have a choice for what they do! (and I say MAN because men want to always say they have no control over themselves…however this also applies to women) I personally do not believe that ANYONE should engage in sexual acts outside of marriage period. It is ALL a sin. I do not play favorites for sexual orientation.

      • greenlee_blue24

        then before you go all judgmental on someone, ESPECIALLY someone you’ve never met before, (which how you can say being gay is a sin and an abomination, yet you people passing judgment on others isn’t a sin i’ll never know!) why don’t you protest the other things the bible says is wrong. like SWEARING, like GETTING A DIVORCE, like TATTOO’S, like WEARING AN ARTICLE OF CLOTHING WOVEN WITH TWO DIFFERENT FABRICS, like EATING SHRIMP OR PORK, or the ULTIMATE sin….TAKING THE LORD’S NAME IN VEIN! how come i’ve never seen those into huge issues, or outawed. AND the bible says, “let not your religion govern or make your laws. gee seperation of church and state. pretty damn nice isn’t it. why don’t you take that holier than thou stick out of your ass and stop using God, and Jesus Christ, and the Bible, and Religion as a SCAPEGOAT to express your prejudicy and admit your real problem….HOMSEXUALITY MAKES YOU UNCOMFORTABLE! deal with it. get over it. and get a life. your no true christian. and doesn’t the bible say a man can marry many conquebines…in this country that’s called a bigimist and thats illegal. funny how you people pick and choose what you want to believe out of the bible and then leave US with the burden of INEQUALITY! this country was founded on being the land of the free and millions have lost their lives for that right. and you have the audasity to say “oh this man and woman can get married, but this man and that man can’t” it must be a scary place in your mind. and ur arguments are retarded and idiotic and hypocritical. i for one am not going to “control” myself by sacrificing who i am and my happiness to make BIGOTS LIKE YOU COMFORTABLE. Me: Point, You: ZIPPO! have a gay day! :) ps-try to prove what i said in this argument wrong. u can’t no matter what u say. you wont win this argument or this fight. so get over it. and mind your own damn business and leave us in peace!

      • michiganliberty

        The Lord’s name in “vain.” Not VEIN

      • greenlee_blue24

        You know, I find that out of everything I wrote…the fact that THAT is what you chose to comment about is down right hilarious! Thank you for proving my point! LOL

      • Kimberly Clark Robbins

        Actually, I did not get judgemental on “someone”. I made a statement for EVERYONE. Any sexual act outside of marriage is a sin. My comment was in regards to the argument that always comes up and that has to do with the way a person “feels” about it. That is why I made the comment I did. The finger is always pointed to homosexuality, but the same applies to heterosexuality. Satan will use anyones weaknesses and desires to sway you for his benefit. I was not playing favorites. I DO believe swearing is wrong, so is getting a divorce. God never intended ANYONE to divorce and it says so in the bible. My family also does not eat shrimp or pork and we don’t take the Lord’s name in vain. By the way I am not jewish either, so there is not any specific history for me to abide by those things. I choose it because I think there is more to it than just God making “crazy” rules. I can’t say I have much of an opinion about the tattoo thing. I don’t have one and don’t intend to get one. However, I think that one has more to do with the relation to pagan rituals at the time and now it may come down more to your own heart in that matter. I will gladly admit that is one that I would need to look into more. Laws in this world are not necessarily of God. Just like when Jesus was on this earth he talked about giving to Caesar what is Caesar and giving to God what is God’s. We are to live in the world not of the world. This country, however, was created under God and those values. We also have the freedome to voice our opinions about it, so some topics will come up. This country is slowly slipping away from a lot of the moral values it was built on. Every day more and more forbidden words, situations, actions, etc are being allowed on tv, movies, radio, internet…nothing is sacred anymore. In regards to Homosexuality, it does NOT make me uncomfortable AT ALL. I have friends of all shapes, sizes, ethnic backgrounds, and yes even sexual orientations. It doesn’t make me like them any differently. HOWEVER, it doesn’t mean that I have to agree with everything every one of my friends chooses to do. I also know that all of my decisions are not always about happiness. God can bring joy in situations that seem anything but joyful. I also know that situations I was sure would bring me happiness, ended up being empty and anything but happy. My feelings and desires are not reliable. But relying on Jesus is reliable. I am not a perfect person. I do not claim to be. I have sinned and continue to slip up and sin. But my desire as a Christian is to shed light and yes, at times, even speak boldly for what I believe. I am saddened by what I see on tv, news, etc. I can hardly let my kids watch tv for what they might be exposed to. I am not hypocrytical because I do not believe I am above anyone and I expect the same consideration of everyone when it comes to marriage.

      • michiganliberty

        No one is a homosexual. There only people who perform homosexual acts. Men having intercourse with men is clearly prohibited in the Bible. Now you do not have to accept the Bible as the Word of God. But you cannot pretend that it endorses something that it condemns.

      • Lisa Hlad Matthis

        so is eating shellfish.. do you eat lobster? crab?? sinner.. same as any other sin.

      • genesis667

        You are filled with hatred…You should seek counseling…

      • JiminLA LA

        And, from your posts on this thread you are not much better in the hatred market…

    • Don

      Leviticus, from the old testament, generally refers to laws which dealt with ruling of the Israel nations prior to the arrival of Jesus. In fact, many of the teachings of Jesus overrule and take precedence above and beyond the old testament. Hence, the idea of a “new testament” which represents a covenant crafted between Christ and humanity.

    • Indya

      The word “abomination” is a gross misinterpretation. While you’re on your high horse, maybe you should read the passages used to condemn gays in their entirety. Leviticus is especially taken out of context for the purpose of supporting the wrongful judgment of gays. Also, research when the Bible was canonized and by who. Then, ask yourself “how devine can a book really be if its content is the result of a simple majority vote?”

      • michiganliberty

        As this is a free society, you can choose to not believe that the Bible is the Word of God or an even a good book of wisdom literature. But you should not try to twist to serve your own 21st Century, secular agenda.

      • Ki Brosius

        We all live in a secular world. Unless you plan on walling yourself off in a compound somewhere it might do you well to realize that you are at odds with almost everyone 30 and under. The 21st Century Secular Agenda is to love one another and not use our religion to hate.

      • genesis667

        Not surprising, Jesus said the path to destruction is broad, so one would expect if you follow the word of God to be far outside of the mainstream view, Jesus further illustrated this when he said ye shall be hated for my namesake, because by following him we are rejecting mans word today, which is what I do, I care not what any man here thinks–I care what Jesus thinks, and his word tells me to pick up my cross and follow him, it doesn’t say follow the latest hip trend, the latest political position, it says to follow him., you can follow the crowd to your own demise, that is your choice…

      • JiminLA LA

        Good for you! Then why don’t you stop posting on threads like this, since you obviously have everything wrapped up, and every other single person has everything wrong, according to you (and no, you are not speaking for the Bible) ?

    • Lisa Hlad Matthis

      do you eat lobster? sinner.

      • genesis667

        You seem to be of the belief that as long as others sin it’s okay for you too as well–Dangerous path to go down, I find it hard to believe that you are a Christian when your attitude is near contempt for the word of God–

    • JiminLA LA

      Great example of the “Christian attitude”, in your description of other people. At least take a lesson on English before you spout your self-righteous remarks and force them on others.

  • Kurt Heinz Jurgen Kornfield

    I believe homosexuality was mentioned in the New Testament, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10.

    • PWB

      Corinthians is an Epistle (letter) from St. Paul. The only places where we hear from Jesus is in the Gospels.

    • gratefulhead

      So what does Paul talking about temple prostitution have to do with this topic, please? I’m tired of people bringing up this BS in a completely ahistorical context, particularly when the words on the page are not on point to the claim being made. The fact that thousands of years later, bigots reinterpreted these passages and claimed they refer to homosexuality is really an awful thing; the fact that so many people are deceived by these lies,. even worse.

    • jaun sanchez

      Maybe you ought to read that first I am sick of these televangelists quoting that passage out of context, then pea brains turn around and do the same thing

      • michiganliberty

        1 Corinthians 6:9-10 makes it clear that clear that idolatry, theft, and homosexuality are sins. Can you explain this in some way that idolatry, theft, and homosexuality are virtues, according to Christ?

      • Lisa Hlad Matthis

        i guess all republicans are not getting into heaven then since they idolize money.. huh??

      • JiminLA LA

        Talk about needing a writing lesson… You need to follow your own advice when assaulting others for their use of the English language. Hurts doesn’t it? Having to actually take inventory of yourself before pointing out “the sliver in your brother’s eye?” Oh, that’s right, I forgot: Anyone who doesn’t believe the way you do is not your brother. Nice theology.

    • Chloe

      The point of this article was whether Jesus condemns or allows homosexuality. You are right it saying that Paul mentions homosexuality in Corinthians, but he is not the ultimate authority on Christianity. In his day, he was a common man, a tent maker. In his many letters to the early churches, he speaks so much truth to the early Christians of that day. However, a lot of his writings were his opinions and convictions, like his personal stance on homosexuality. The bigger question here is whether Jesus of Nazareth, the ultimate teacher and Son of God, had anything to say regarding the subject of homosexuality.
      Christians are going to disagree on a lot of ethical and moral issues; its practically inevitable. But we need to put our focus and energy on Jesus and his teachings. If he did not explicitly say his beliefs about homosexuality, then it probably was not important to him.

    • JiminLA LA

      Yes, that is your belief, so why must you cast it on others and expect them to follow suit or “burn in hell”?

  • Bill Board

    Perhaps he would have said if God wanted homo’s, he would have made Adam and Steve.

    • Doc2222

      Hey Bill! Great job of parroting that same old tired-ash conservative moron cliche! I’m sure Adolph is beaming up at you from hell with a well deserved atta boy!

      • Bill Board

        You must be an insulted homo.

    • lolabird

      Would you be so kind as to tell us who Cain married? Was it his sister?

  • Sean Permann

    well if Jesus was the word and the word was God from the beggining im sure he would have the same thought of homosexuality as God

    • Sensual A

      God said don’t eat pork or get haircuts in Leviticus. Not causing a national uproar though.

    • JiminLA LA

      Even though I don’t agree with you on your position; you bring up a very interesting view point. One that wasn’t on this entire thread.

  • American Pancake

    Very interesting discussions. A lot of things people want to believe will never be verified. Jesus may himself have been gay. Who knows?. He certainly did not uphold the so called “traditional family values of marriage” like so many conservative Christians suggest is the goal. His closest confidants, those who he surrounded himself with were all men. Something to think about. In the end, the Bible has been interpreted by people to bolster both evil and good deeds. It is like a voluminous Rorschach test that tell us more about ourselves than anything else.

  • bentleyinspections@yahoo.com

    Hey I have only read a few post/articles but I like what i have read. I have been so frustrated with the political right “Christians”, unquote, and their blatant misrepresentation of the Bible. It is so pleasing to my heart to find people who understand Gods words for what they are and really how utterly simple his instruction. It seems that when you twist the Bible into some heavy complicated manual you lose sight of it’s basic meaning…BE GOOD TO EACH OTHER, BE GOOD TO THE EARTH, BE GOOD TO NATURE, DON’T HATE, FORGIVE and by all means LOVE EACH OTHER. I have to tell you the Hippies had it right all the time. Thank you for this great site and I will be back.

  • Rachel L. Fox

    Why would homosexuality not have been a central issue then if it is now? Homosexuals have been in society since the beginning of time. If it really was a big issue, he would have addressed it…If he were around today, he would have said the same things about loving others unconditionally that he said back then. I can’t imagine Jesus saying, “love everyone….except gays”.

  • Deborah Howe

    “Not everyone can accept this teaching, but only those to whom it is given. For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let anyone accept this who can.” (Matthew 19:11-12)

    Eunuchs born are not without testicles, just as eunuchs who have made themselves for the kingdom of heaven i.e. priests are not without testicles.
    So Jesus did address this issue and does not condemn them for being born that way for it is the way God made them.

    • Dana F. Davis

      Actually no. He’s speaking about those who sexually abstain because they see love of “pure” as a higher calling – hence, for example, Catholic priests.

  • Rhonda McCauley

    I reread Leviticus. And I now feel t
    hat most of it is a crock, reminds me of the Quran.

    • JiminLA LA

      Why don’t you try reading other passages, referring to love everyone? What would happen if you had a muslim move in next door to you? He is following what he believes is right, with the same gusto as you do as a Christian, or at least I am assuming this, and he believes in good as you do. I’m not a muslim, but at least for the regular muslim not the terrorists we only read about, they take personal conduct as seriously as others do. Really ignorant and uneducated remark about someone else’s “Bible”.

      • Rhonda McCauley

        Shiite muslims are good people, Sunni’s not so much.

  • BMS

    My cousins were all raised Catholic. Of the 31 first cousins I have, only about 5 of them married in the church and are raising children in the church. Most of them have taught their children nothing about God at all. They’re all heterosexual, but at least half of them have been divorced, several have kids by multiple partners.

    At my Catholic intentional community I can think of at least 5 same sex couples who have stayed together for more than 10 years, all of whom have children who have been raised in the church, who come every week and participate in mass and in other church activities. These kids are leading the youth group, being confirmed, volunteering in the food pantry, and singing in the choir.

    Now, explain to me how the same sex couples are doing something wrong?

    • Muzambiringa

      Noone can “explain” GOD’s LAW I’m afraid. Take it or leave it.

      • BMS

        God’s law is love. Where’s yours for your fellow humans and their kids? What is to be gained by vilifying these families and making them feel unwelcome? I don’t believe God is nearly as narrow as people would like him to be to justify their own narrowness.

      • Muzambiringa

        If I didn’t love my neighbor, I’d let him “crack-on” [pun fortuitous] unto perdition!
        #LoveIsTough

      • Jerry glanzmann

        I do believe that God would say it is not for man to judge another man. That would be his job. So, if you truly believe in God, you would say do what you want because I am not your judge. These pretend religious people are so backwards. None of us are God. So, none of us should judge anothers lifestyle.

      • JiminLA LA

        It appears your capitalization key was stuck….

      • Muzambiringa

        Appearances can be deceiving…

  • Carl Grimes

    god doesn’t care, i don’t know why you should.

    • Muzambiringa

      Because, you need God and HE doesn’t need you?

      • JiminLA LA

        Another capitalization key is stuck…

      • Muzambiringa

        hA hA hA! hOW MANY “caps lock” KEYS HAVE YOU GOT ON THINE PC?

  • Roy Glover

    Who so ever beliveth in me shall enter the gates of heaven. Pretty straight forward and to the point. He didn’t say “well except this group or that” his blood washed away all mans sins. Not just the people you feel should get in. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Judge not lest be judged. We are but children in his eyes. We do not have his wisdom to judge who is right or wrong. The best thing you can do as a Christian is to live Christ like. If you keep adhering to the old testament you are not a Christian. Christ sent a different message and example from his father. God was power hungry, blood thirsty and unforgiving. He gave man free will but constantly tested it. This is the old testament. Christ accepted everyone, forgave everyone, didnt demand devotion or obedience. You accepted him and he would love you in return. This is what it is to be a Christian to follow what HE taught.

    • Name

      If you’re not following the Old Testament, you’re not following all of the Scripture. Even Jesus quoted the OT several times in his ministry, and on several occasions proved that he understood more than the Pharisees and Sadducees because he is God.

      While it is true that Jesus came to fulfill the old covenant made between God and the Israelites, he did not completely abolish Old Testament teachings. Rather, he reiterated many of them. If we are to follow Christ and have fellowship with the Lord, we should follow these teachings and use Christ as an example, a reference point.

      “God was power hungry, blood thirsty and unforgiving. He gave man free will but constantly tested it.” He constantly tested their faith in Him, not their free will. And God was ABSOLUTELY forgiving in the Old Testament! All of the times that the Israelites rebelled or disobeyed, broke the Ten Commandments and the Law, and followed after other gods, the Lord forgave them each time. Why? Because they were His chosen people with whom He had made a covenant.
      A covenant, you have to realize, is so much heavier than a simple promise. A covenant is an agreement between two or more persons that, if broken, can lead to the death of one of the parties. The Israelites broke the covenant several times, but God never let them die because they had not fulfilled their purpose, and He had too much love to let His people suffer.

    • Muzambiringa

      Silly sophistry I’m afraid!

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