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	<title>Comments on: Where in the Bible does it say that Mary, mother of Jesus, is sinless? And if it is not in the Bible, why does the Catholic Church act like she is?</title>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 17:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin - does an infant sin?  Does a severely retarded person sin?  Did Jesus sin?  Clearly there are exceptions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin &#8211; does an infant sin?  Does a severely retarded person sin?  Did Jesus sin?  Clearly there are exceptions.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 12:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Proverbslady:   Mary leads us to her son ....just like someone can lead another to a closer relationship with Jesus through praying for them or teaching them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Proverbslady:   Mary leads us to her son &#8230;.just like someone can lead another to a closer relationship with Jesus through praying for them or teaching them.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 04:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And our Blessed Mother leads us to Him!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And our Blessed Mother leads us to Him!</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 03:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Romans 3:23 clearly states that &quot;all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.&quot; Scripture does not leave room for any exceptions. Jesus is the way. Thank you Proverbslady!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Romans 3:23 clearly states that &#8220;all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.&#8221; Scripture does not leave room for any exceptions. Jesus is the way. Thank you Proverbslady!</p>
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		<title>By: Proverbslady</title>
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		<dc:creator>Proverbslady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Apr 2011 01:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever men are trying to prove theres only one statement that i believe and is 100% sure in the bible. Jesus said&quot;No one comes to the father except through me&quot;. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever men are trying to prove theres only one statement that i believe and is 100% sure in the bible. Jesus said&#8221;No one comes to the father except through me&#8221;. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Alcides Rios</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alcides Rios</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 15:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it says nothing against his divinity but on the contrary shows that when one allows his/herself to be lead by the Spirit and allow CHrist to live and reign in his/her body and soul, that person can live that holy saintly life. Mary is who we can become if we allow ourselves to be the humble handmaid of the Lord. And for with Christ nothing is impossible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it says nothing against his divinity but on the contrary shows that when one allows his/herself to be lead by the Spirit and allow CHrist to live and reign in his/her body and soul, that person can live that holy saintly life. Mary is who we can become if we allow ourselves to be the humble handmaid of the Lord. And for with Christ nothing is impossible.</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 19:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One friend of mine pointed out that &quot;Eve was full of grace too&quot; - which makes some sense of Mary&#039;s decision and how she could have responded differently.

I&#039;ve been drawn toward the Catholic Church and don&#039;t see Mary as a make-or-break issue, but I do have one niggling immaculate conception question: what does it say about the divinity of Jesus if he is not the only person to have lived a sinless life?

Actually, one more question.  I&#039;ve seen a beautiful icon of Jesus&#039; baptism that shows him submerged in dark water, surrounded by demon-like fish, symbolizing his incarnation as a descent among human sinfulness.  It made me wonder, if he could descend so completely into the depths of our sin and hell, could he not have suffered to be born of an ordinary sin-prone person?

I want to emphasize that these questions are not meant to be antagonistic, but they continue to haunt my mind amid my Catholic sympathies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One friend of mine pointed out that &#8220;Eve was full of grace too&#8221; &#8211; which makes some sense of Mary&#8217;s decision and how she could have responded differently.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been drawn toward the Catholic Church and don&#8217;t see Mary as a make-or-break issue, but I do have one niggling immaculate conception question: what does it say about the divinity of Jesus if he is not the only person to have lived a sinless life?</p>
<p>Actually, one more question.  I&#8217;ve seen a beautiful icon of Jesus&#8217; baptism that shows him submerged in dark water, surrounded by demon-like fish, symbolizing his incarnation as a descent among human sinfulness.  It made me wonder, if he could descend so completely into the depths of our sin and hell, could he not have suffered to be born of an ordinary sin-prone person?</p>
<p>I want to emphasize that these questions are not meant to be antagonistic, but they continue to haunt my mind amid my Catholic sympathies.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 11:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When discussing the Immaculate Conception, an implicit reference may be found in the angel‚Äôs greeting to Mary. The angel Gabriel said, &quot;Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you&quot; (Luke 1:28). The phrase &quot;full of grace&quot; is a translation of the Greek word kecharitomene. It therefore expresses a characteristic quality of Mary. 

The traditional translation, &quot;full of grace,&quot; is better than the one found in many recent versions of the New Testament, which give something along the lines of &quot;highly favored daughter.&quot; Mary was indeed a highly favored daughter of God, but the Greek implies more than that (and it never mentions the word for &quot;daughter&quot;). The grace given to Mary is at once permanent and of a unique kind. Kecharitomene is a perfect passive participle of charitoo, meaning &quot;to fill or endow with grace.&quot; Since this term is in the perfect tense, it indicates that Mary was graced in the past but with continuing effects in the present. So, the grace Mary enjoyed was not a result of the angel‚Äôs visit. In fact, Catholics hold, it extended over the whole of her life, from conception onward. She was in a state of sanctifying grace from the first moment of her existence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When discussing the Immaculate Conception, an implicit reference may be found in the angel‚Äôs greeting to Mary. The angel Gabriel said, &#8220;Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you&#8221; (Luke 1:28). The phrase &#8220;full of grace&#8221; is a translation of the Greek word kecharitomene. It therefore expresses a characteristic quality of Mary. </p>
<p>The traditional translation, &#8220;full of grace,&#8221; is better than the one found in many recent versions of the New Testament, which give something along the lines of &#8220;highly favored daughter.&#8221; Mary was indeed a highly favored daughter of God, but the Greek implies more than that (and it never mentions the word for &#8220;daughter&#8221;). The grace given to Mary is at once permanent and of a unique kind. Kecharitomene is a perfect passive participle of charitoo, meaning &#8220;to fill or endow with grace.&#8221; Since this term is in the perfect tense, it indicates that Mary was graced in the past but with continuing effects in the present. So, the grace Mary enjoyed was not a result of the angel‚Äôs visit. In fact, Catholics hold, it extended over the whole of her life, from conception onward. She was in a state of sanctifying grace from the first moment of her existence.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christy, thanks for the great question.  We always have the ability as humans, Mary included to go against God&#039;s wish for us.  Even though Mary was not caught up in sin by birth, that doesn&#039;t eliminate her from committing sin, first of all, but also doesn&#039;t mean that she can&#039;t make a decision counter to God&#039;s wishes.
That&#039;s why her decision, made freely, is as you say, &quot;so darn important.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christy, thanks for the great question.  We always have the ability as humans, Mary included to go against God&#8217;s wish for us.  Even though Mary was not caught up in sin by birth, that doesn&#8217;t eliminate her from committing sin, first of all, but also doesn&#8217;t mean that she can&#8217;t make a decision counter to God&#8217;s wishes.<br />
That&#8217;s why her decision, made freely, is as you say, &#8220;so darn important.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Christy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 15:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, my question is this: If Mary was conceived without sin on her soul, then wasn&#039;t she predestined to carry the Christ child? So doesn&#039;t that mean that it wasn&#039;t really her choice? And therefore, if it wasn&#039;t really her choice to carry Jesus in her womb, what makes her &quot;decision&quot; to say yes to God (via the angel Gabriel I believe) so darn special?

I just find this doctrine very confusing &amp; seems counter to our view of God giving us all free will. I would love for someone to shed some light on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, my question is this: If Mary was conceived without sin on her soul, then wasn&#8217;t she predestined to carry the Christ child? So doesn&#8217;t that mean that it wasn&#8217;t really her choice? And therefore, if it wasn&#8217;t really her choice to carry Jesus in her womb, what makes her &#8220;decision&#8221; to say yes to God (via the angel Gabriel I believe) so darn special?</p>
<p>I just find this doctrine very confusing &amp; seems counter to our view of God giving us all free will. I would love for someone to shed some light on this.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Hayes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Hayes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 23:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point, Mike in PA.  Thanks for sharing that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point, Mike in PA.  Thanks for sharing that.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike in PA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike in PA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another point to make regarding the theological language related to this issue, e.g. &quot;Immaculate Conception&quot;, is that the mammalian ovum was not discovered until 1827 by Baer.  It seems logical that the title &quot;Immaculate Conception&quot; would not be found in scripture since the biological concept surrounding it was foreign.  Another tip of the hat to science for giving us a fuller vocabulary to better articulate the tenets of faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another point to make regarding the theological language related to this issue, e.g. &#8220;Immaculate Conception&#8221;, is that the mammalian ovum was not discovered until 1827 by Baer.  It seems logical that the title &#8220;Immaculate Conception&#8221; would not be found in scripture since the biological concept surrounding it was foreign.  Another tip of the hat to science for giving us a fuller vocabulary to better articulate the tenets of faith.</p>
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